How do you guys feel about Conner in .5 ppr dynasty? He’s on the block in my 12 team league and owner is looking for wr/tes.

If I ship kittle or Henry, what’s the difference between the two assets? I figure right now I’ll get undervalue with HH. I want to improve my rb depth. I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Conner other than this nagging injury. Are we worried about rb splits next year? Or will the system still primarily go through one back. Can we assume leveon is gone? Should I just wait to make a deal?

I have Julio, kupp, Boyd, Baldwin, Ridley, Parker, Reynolds, dez and Garcon to try to sweeten things on top of 1.11. I don’t have my second and third round picks but have all my future picks. I’m really loving kittle in dynasty right now, but also like Henry in SD.

So you think AJ, Landry, ARob, Tevin, Howard, Godwin for Hop, Pettis, Marvin, Enunwa and Ware? Seems like giving a lot. Could ask for Derrick Henry instead of Lindsay.

I have faith that AB's pride keeps him elite longer than people think. In this regard, I compare him to Steve Smith, who put up 1k yards at 35 years old. So I still value him highly. I'm not sure if there are others in the league who value him as highly as I do, but if I were to move him I don't think it would be in this deal for Hop. It would probably be to a contender for younger players who haven't yet reached their potential, and I'd rather just go for it with him. Though I might try putting him in an offer for Gurley or Zeke.

Not only is AB getting old but so is Ben. The latter is the guy you need to be more worried about. Juju has established himself and the Steelers have other weapons. That’s why I don’t mind selling AB to get Hopkins. Hopkins is young and has done well with crap qbs and good ones. Even with other targets, he typically gets a lions share. I find it hard to evaluate a huge deal like yours. Per this https://dynasty101.com/trade-calculator/ youre way overpaying.

I think Conner's value is around the 1st/2nd turn in dynasty.

I don't mind selling AB plus a player or two to get Hop either, but I don't think that's what he's looking to do. He needs a full rebuild, not AB.

Yeah to be clear I’m not advocating moving AB in a deal for DHop as that doesn’t seem to make sense here, just that I’d be looking to be a seller in general as there were a lot of indications that AB is falling off this year that were masked by his TD output and he is still considered to be the top WR in the league by many people. Plus like Cap said, Ben’s future is a concern for AB as well.

I'd most like to trade AJ. I've never liked him. He's let me down throughout his career. Everyone in the league was up in arms when I traded Drake and Shepard for AJ and Gronk, but then no one wanted AJ even before he got injured. I'm happy that I was able to get ARob for Gronk (plus Ito). Now I'd like to get something for AJ. I probably won't even try for Hop. I think that owner does have to move Hop to reload, but I know that Hop was the first player he drafted four years ago and he intent on keeping him. I'll probably try to get Hilton again. I said before that he likes Landry, Godwin and Tre'Quan. I don't want to give him Godwin in the deal, but I'll try offering him Landry and Tre'Quan with his choice of one GB WR (MVS probably), CJ Anderson, David Moore and Darrel Williams. If he won't take that, I'd try Landry, ARob and Tre'Quan for Hilton and Dede. Then I could try AB, AJ, Tevin and Howard for Gurley or Zeke. If that won't work, which it probably won't even though he has absolutely nothing at WR, I could try AJ and Tevin or Howard for DJ.

I would have a tough time moving Kittle at this point, but he will def get you way more than Henry of course. I'd be trying to center something around Henry and Ridley if possible as people might think Ridley has a lot of potential to grow after being a high pick and having some big rookie games not realizing he's old af and not very good imo. Still doubt that's enough for Conner but maybe if you throw in a RB too or something?

Perhaps it seems like you're giving a lot, but first off, to get a top dynasty asset like DHop, it tends to take a lot. And second off, Landry/ARob/Tevin/Howard are have low-ceiling, unexciting dynasty prospects imo, especially the RBs, who I'd say are more likely to be fairly worthless in the coming years than to give top 20 type of production. They were right around top 20 this year with a lot going right for them, this year seems close to their ceilings going forward.

I mean, Howard was the No. 9 RB in half-PPR in 2016 and the No. 12 in 2017, and he just turned 24 years old last month, so I wouldn't say that his No. 24 finish in 2018 is his ceiling going forward with a change of scenery. Tevin really depends on where he lands. He could not be fantasy relevant going forward, or he could go somewhere and be the guy on an offense not run by Sark. Landry and ARob have had better seasons than this one, and they are the top WRs for young but talented QBs who figure to improve, so one would expect that their stats will improve with their QBs.

you aren't going to convince us that a bunch of flex plays are worth deandre hopkins

maybe this guy is an idiot but you win with studs not by replacing hopkins with allen robinson

I’m not trying to convince you of anything. I’m just offering a rebuttal to the contention that those four are low-ceiling dynasty prospects who have already peaked.

In dynasty, WRs have much longer shelf life’s than RBs too. And consistency is so rare, when you have someone like Hopkins, it should take equivalent talent back, not just 3 quarters for a dollar

Don't really agree with these takes, but the condition is that you're building towards other trades. All these assets are building blocks for other trades. If you're good at making deals, getting more value than the value you give up is all that matters. Not saying that's the case here, but there's nothing wrong with getting lots of lesser players/picks.

In the league we're in Movieman, I trade Antonio for Allen Robinson, Mixon, OJ Howard, a 1st and a 2nd. Turned the 1st and 2nd into Chubb.

Then traded Zeke for Keenan Allen, Boyd, Callaway, 1st, 2nd, 3rd.

I have a ton of assets to go buy a top 10 player if/when I want one. I easily traded away the 2 best players in either deal.

You did, but those seem like fantastic hauls for the best player. Pretty much the opposite of the value Gaddy is offering.

Adding picks in a dynasty league also makes a huge difference, rather than guys who are already at or past their peak. If you’re a team that’s rebuilding you don’t want middling guys you want upside guys, none of whom are guys gaddy is really offering

Most of these are overpays depending on when you did them but that's the point. It's difficult to pry top players from teams unless they decided they're blowing things completely up. Even then, there will typically be a bidding war for many of those guys. Zeke trade depending on when you did it was a decent robbery. Antonio Brown deal was likely even more robbery on your part. But if that's what top players are going for in your league then so be it.

AB was 2017 trade deadline, Zeke was week 2-3 this year or something. Yeah tough league but the win-now teams pay a lot for high-end talent. I think it's really getting them to give you high end picks that makes the difference. Assuming you don't draft Royce Freeman with them

Looks like this was last year, but I'd probably trade AB straight up for Mixon in dynasty now.

I think Landry, ARob, Howard, Tevin and Godwin are all upside guys. Landry, ARob and Howard have already put up top-10 fantasy performances at their positions (ARob, I believe No. 1), and they are relatively young with reason to believe they can hit that upside again (Landry and ARob with talented young QBs who haven't yet hit their stride, Howard with a new situation). Tevin's upside is purely based on where he ends up. Godwin is 22 years old, younger than some WRs who will be drafted in April, and has already flashed some serious ability. Just because they were middling players this season doesn't mean they aren't upside guys. You guys forget I was talking about including an established star WR in AJ Green along with all of these players for Hop, though I was trying to sneak Lindsay into the deal on his end. I think that's offering too much if I'm taking Lindsay out, though I could try to put Henry in Lindsay's place. Anyway, you all don't even seem to think that AJ Green, Landry, ARob, Howard, Tevin and Godwin are enough for Hop alone, so I was already looking at other possible targets.

I think it could be fine; but I'm not sure it might be accepted. It's always worth a try and start the bidding there.

It is not reasonable to expect ARob to hit 1,400-14 again in his career.

ARob just can't get that many looks in Chicago. He received 95 this year (only caught 55); vs 151 with 80 catches his giant year in Jacksonville. Cohen, Gabriel, Miller and Burton just take too many looks IMO. They also feed Howard and Mitch ran it 68 times this season with missing a few weeks. Going forward, even though Chicago has a very good O--it's going to be tough to figure out who will score week to week.

All the top WRs get 150ish targets and Arob wasn't even close.

Arob is one of those guys who is highly overrated by many of the dynasty value charts and I guy I don't want to pick anywhere near his ADP.

Landry
Michel
Royce Freeman
Ronald Jones
Penny

Are guys I have no interest in going forward unless their situation changes drastically. Landry just isn't going to get the good PPR targets he used to get in Miami. He sees a ton so maybe I'm underrating him but his catch rate in Cleveland was 54% vs 69% in 2017--150 this year vs 170 in 2017--maybe it's still insanely high on the target front but not great on the catch rate--i'll assume he was featured on a lot more screens in Miami. Michel I think he's good but I hate the NE RB and situation in general. Freeman, I think Lindsay looked great and Freeman should get a shot but might not be that often. RJ-for obvious reasons--he couldn't beat out Barber being first. TB doesn't have much of a running game despite having a dominant pass game. Penny--Carson looks like the #1 guy and the Seahawks love running but have a bunch of dudes.

For ARob and Landry, the question is do you think Trubisky and Mayfield will get better, because if they do then there’s reason to think they will take their best WRs with them. They will probably never reach their previous bests, especially when ARob’s previous best is so high, but there’s plenty of reason to believe they will improve on this season, that the catch percentage will get higher for Landry as Mayfield gets better. And, remember, ARob was also in his first season back from a torn ACL. He could also be in better shape his second season back.

Royce and Penny aren’t looking good behind other young backs that are playing better, but if you can buy them cheap they could pay off on running teams if they get an opportunity to carry the full load due to injury or whatever reason.

Landry, Arob, and Howard are the definition of low upside.
I suppose that Godwin might have some upside, but he just kind of sucks.
Coleman was in basically the best possible situation anyone could have hoped for this year, and he was underwhelming.

If those guys were actually as awesome as you're saying, would you really be looking to deal them all away?

Oh, Ok, you say they are the definition of low upside with no argument to back up that claim, which I’ve already rebutted. At least argue against my contention, don’t just come offering nothing new. And Coleman wasn’t in the best situation because he was in a Sark offense, as I’ve already said. He may still not get in a better situation ever again, but then again he might — the unknown of free agency.