Will be interesting to see how high Kelce/Ertz go next year as well. I wouldn't be too keen on expecting similar seasons from Ebron and Cook, and outside of those 2 and Kittle, Kelce/Ertz were over 100 points clear of the next TE in .5ppr, and even Kittle was 30-50 points behind.

Gotta think they are at least up for consideration in late 1st/early 2nd.

Think I'll have Kamara higher than most here have been saying, though I'm assuming Ingram is out and they won't sign/draft someone that will have a big role, which might be wishful thinking. Also don't think Hill will go as high as people here are listing, but perhaps he should. On board with DHop as WR1.

Barkley is prob more likely to regress a bit than take some significant jump imo, RB isn't like other positions/sports when it comes to career growth curve. Still think he is clear #2 though.

When it comes to TE, let’s not forget about OJ who was hurt half the season or more and was averaging 11 ppg in my .5 ppr league. I expect ebron and cook to regress but also expect Henry to make a decent splash.

Is Gronkowski just done? Idk what to expect but yeah after the top 3 at te, it’s a lot of question marks.

I'll take 2 to 1 that Gronk isn't on the Pats next year.

makes for a really nice group in round 2. Think I wouldn't mind drafting late knowing I could Thomas/Le'Veon kind of thing.

And that doesn't even include Ertz and Kelce. First two rounds are going to be pretty stacked it seems. Dalvin Cook might be a 3rd round pick.

Yes, next year it doesn't seem like there is going to be a bad draft spot.

Going into this year 5th-8th kind of felt icky because you had to make a tough decision but it ended up probably being good since you landed Barkley, AB or Kamara and avoided the Bell/DJ disasters.

Speaking of avoiding Bell/DJ, man I wish I had the stones to have drafted Saquon ahead of DJ in my largest league at 1.03. Sadly I did not.

How do you guys think this offer would be received in dynasty? AJ, Landry, ARob, Tevin, Howard, Godwin for Hop, Lindsay, Pettis, Marvin, Enunwa, Ware. He's a team that could definitely use better depth, and I have it. But he loves Hop, his original first-round pick.

As usual it is a super complex trade that has no context (keeper costs, full rosters) so nobody can give you an accurate answer.

In a vacuum with the players you listed, the Hopkins owner would be taking the worst of it by far.

It’s dynasty and his team lacks depth. That’s the context.

It's bad but less bad than some of the others you've posted.

Well, what do you think is a good offer for Hop? I’m planning next season to start Mahomes, CMC, Guice, Tyreek, AB, Hunter Henry. Then I have two flex positions that I’d like to improve. My assets to use to do so include Landry, ARob, Tevin, Howard, Godwin, Tre’Quan, MVS, Kumerow, Allison, David Moore, CJ Anderson. So I’m trying to figure out players to target with those guys to improve my two flex spots. Hilton is a possibility. That owner has one of the worst teams and likes Landry, Godwin and Tre’Quan, but he backed out of an agreed upon deal heading into the playoffs that cost me the title.

What, if anything, do you guys do for week 17? In 3 of my leagues we have a winner take all bonus for the high game and that team gets half of their buy in back. Just looking to get ideas to possibly change it up for next year.

Nothing. Week 17 is stupid.

Gaddy,


Go back and reread some of the posts (including suggested trade offers + reasoning) in response to when you were trying to acquire Gurley. The same principles apply; both Todd and Hopkins are top 5 dynasty assets. You should be good to go from there!

Week 17 is for DFS and for supporting real life football

Your offer sucks. That's what it boils down to.

Okay, I'll try to be more constructive. You're trading a bunch of bench pieces/timeshare backs for what I agree is probably a top 5, definitely top 10 dynasty player. Why would he make this trade? "He needs depth" is not the answer. On top of this you're trying to fleece him of Lindsay who is another amazing dynasty player, maybe top 30.

Context is what your post was lacking.

The context seems perfectly understood. I’m in a dynasty league, so all players are kept, there’s a team that has Hopkins, a top-5 dynasty player, but lacks depth. I’d like to use my depth to acquire him, but you don’t think my depth pieces are enough to acquire a top-5 player.

I will say that just because Tevin and Howard were in timeshares this season doesn’t mean they will be in the future. Tevin is a FA. Howard will be after next season, has been a workhorse top-10 back under the previous regime in Chi, and there were rumors he could be traded before the deadline.

Would you accept your offer if you were in his spot? Be honest.

I get lowballing but it's just a bad offer. Everything would have to go right for him for that trade to be remotely even.

You don’t get a lot of value from future feature back value for a number of reasons.

1, Coleman looked like ass the feature back this year despite being part of a good O. His value should increase but unless he goes to another team with a great OL or system he’s probably still gonna be a committee guy. Howard has been good again, your speculating on future value and again it isn’t much when his situation and system are a huge question.

2, you can see future FA as big value but I’m not sure everyone will buy it. Howard could easily be retained as well and be part of the Chicago cog.

It’s hard to pry top level assets unless you overpay, which you could or if youre dealing with a desperate owner. Can you offer high picks or something else? If I’m giving up Hopkins I’d want an elite rb or at least an rb2 and a wr2 and a pick or a wr who’s in the 5-12range. That’s what top 5 assets go for.

My thought is that his team isn't likely to contend for a championship the way its currently constructed, and the best way to change that is to trade Hop. Whether this is the package that would make his team a contender, I don't know, but I think it's possible as Landry, ARob, Tevin, Howard and Godwin are all young players who have shown their talent and there's reason to think their best years are ahead of them. Landry and ARob are in the first year establishing their connection with talented young QBs, Godwin is only 22 and is expected to move into a bigger role with DJax leaving, Tevin could take a huge step forward if he gets in the right situation as a FA, Howard actually finished the season pretty strongly the past four weeks. Then there's also AJ Green, who some people still think is a top-5 or 10 WR. So I could see this being a great move for him.

I'm looking for the best players I could target with a team that needs the promising young depth that I have to offer, and Hop is tops on my list with a team in that situation. But, if it's not going to get it done, I can move on to looking at other players I can target with my depth. The other players that make sense as targets on teams that need depth are Gurley, Zeke, Hilton and Freeman. If these players aren't enough for Hop, they probably also aren't enough for Gurley or Zeke. They are on one team that has little else (Cohen, Fitz, Anthony Miller, Jamaal Williams). Freeman is on the last place finisher this year, and Hilton on the second-worst team.

I agree with all this. I don't have any picks in the first two rounds, but I could possibly trade players listed for picks to use in a deal. Just not sure how far that will get me in this draft. Obviously, I'm trying to make a deal without giving up CMC, Guice, Tyreek or AB. I'd possibly give up AB, given his age, if someone valued him highly enough. I'd possibly give up Mahomes if someone valued him highly enough (4 pt/passing TD).

By the way, my players -- Godwin, Howard, Landry, Tevin -- are kicking butt in W17. F'ers!

I’m trading AB if I can get Hop. Issue is he probably won’t go for it unless he’s in a win now situation.

+1 to the time being now to move AB in dynasty. Also, Gaddy the main issue with your offer imo is trying to get Lindsey too. Having him in there takes the offer from, “I see what you’re going for but it’s prob not enough to get DHop”, to “lol no, gtfo”.