in a vacuum, I'd rather have Seager than Turner.
I also wouldn't worry about steals in 6x6 at all, especially with Altuve, Betts, and Blackmon already on the roster. I mean you probably project for top ~4 in steals with just those three guys and any random roster fillers.

That said, your team is stacked so pretty hard to mess anything up too bad.

Interesting.

I really liked the extra year with Turner and honestly Seagers counting stats are really not impressive at all, obviously could change next season but he's only on pace for something like 82/22/76/2/300/380. I'd much rather have the super valuable guy who can swipe 70 bags when power is so easy to get now

I'm probably on the wrong side of this, but I just think steals are less valuable and homers are more valuable in this environment. I just don't think you can have a hole in your lineup that doesn't get 12-15 homeruns. It's something I'm going to think about going into next year, but I don't think many leagues are being won with Billy Hamilton, Dee Gordon, Trea Turner, Cameron Maybin, Rajai Davis, Delino DeShields, or Jarod Dyson on the team.

You can probably have a 22sb guy be your top guy and add enough guys with 7-12 to be competitive.

That's an interesting take, and makes a lot of sense. That's why having those guys that will get both (goldy/betts/Blackmon/Altuve) are so valuable

I am crushing the semifinal in one league. 10-0

Sent from my SM-G935T using 2+2 Forums

I've got 110 points (12-man 5x5 roto) which obviously puts me in first, while second place oscillates between 102-103. Untouchable in R, HR, ERA, WHIP, W, and only at slight risk of losing a point in 3 categories (most of which I restructured my team to be elite in before the trade deadline).

Trying to make it so that if second place wants to beat me, he's gonna have to come up to 110 too. Which is a tall damn order.

Merrifield has been an elite 2B, and without much hype. #4 in steals while contributing positively in all five categories. I'll be interested to see where he goes next year. Feels like a 4th rounder but these days it's hard to tell.

yeah he's a guy that's going wayyyyyy under the radar, I bet his adp will be around 80 which would be a steal

Sheesh, just saw he's 21 on the player rater, in the same range as Jose Ramirez, Trout, Arenado, Mook, Rizzo, Votto.

And it's mainly due to him running plus a massive drop in K-rate (13.9% from 21.7%). His BABIP is actually 50 points lower than last year (.310 this year).

Tommy Pham seems a little more smoke and mirrors but also unhyped. Probably a solid draft for whatever round he goes in.

Chris Taylor is subject to a lot of BABIP rungood, but has put up an amazing season.

Out of the three Merrifield seems by far the most authentic, but if you just look at stats I wouldn't be surprised if all three go near the same round next year, which I think you're right could be ~8. Merrifield is the only one I'm confident will deliver value way above that though.

I got Bour as the steal of the year next season. Incredibly low key cuz of injuries and 1b depth but a .265 ISO with a 162 game pace of 40/125. Viable trade option in the offseason and provided he doesn't end up with say, the Giants, should be amazing

Hoskins a mortal lock to be the most overrated

Eddie Rosario also a decent sleeper option. Dude has had a pretty fantastic 3 months and won't be on the radar anywhere. Santana and Pham also probably going to be undervalued despite being fantastic (Santana especially since this isn't his ceiling and he still put up a top 50 year)

JDM and upton are going to be the ones I have the hardest time drafting. JDM in Arizona is a legit 1st round option, upton is as streaky as anyone alive

I think once you get past Hamilton, Gordon and Turner I tend to agree. Those last four guys have a combined 99 RBI coming into today, they are unusable. Plus they are all around 30 SB which is great but will hardly win you the category.

Any of those first three though .. you're basically guaranteeing a top half finish in SB if they stay healthy. Drafting another 30 HR bat somewhere to make it up isn't too hard.

Trea is probably in my top 5 if I was drafting today

Update: I've fallen to 109 and second place is up to 106. A guy who is ahead of second in WHIP won't make minimum starts, so second gets another point from that.

Currently 19 strikeouts ahead of second place (if he beats me, he has to win K's essentially), and I have 1 more start left than he does. ESPN rules, so we can start 10 pitchers on the day we reach start maximum. Second will definitely do this, so I have to also.

Buttressed my bullpen with 2 Braves relievers (Winkler & Freeman). Braves are super valuable because they have 8 games left, while most teams have 6. Presumably their bullpen will be getting a lot of work the next few days.

Needlessly exciting end to a season I've completely dominated otherwise.

Just to reiterate a past proclamation, I think any of you who would take three years of Trea Turner over four years of Judge in a 6x6 league are absolutely nuts.

+1

+50

I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have 0 Judge next year and think he'll be super overrated (but agree with extra year, too valuable)

Idk man. Even with a massive slump he's still rockin a .415 OBP and 50 bombs.
I mean you dont fluke your way into an 18% walk rate and a 1.000+ OPS
Next year even if he regresses heavily hes at least good for .250/.360/.530 with 35+ HR and around 100/100 R/RBI.
And his ceiling is... 2017 Stanton with better plate discipline in a far better lineup? Yes please!

in the 2nd half he's hitting .216. His OBP is high because they're just not throwing him many strikes, so he's K'ing a ton or walking. I think he'll definitely hit 35+ HR, but expect his average around .220 to .240, basically old school Mark Reynolds peak (low BA, solid OBP, SUPER high K rate and HR rate). He hit 3 HR in August w/ BA of .185, 7 HR in July w/ BA of .230, hit 5 2B in those 2 months, and 80 K. I know he's picked it up in the last week or 2, but it hasn't been enough to convince me.

edit: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/aaro...er-adjustment/

Interesting to see that it might be related to his height causing a bigger zone and pitchers exploiting it more.

Just saw some mocks and saw him consistently going end of 2nd round. Didn't think it'd be that low, but if so, maybe I won't be against drafting him there, but still likely won't.

Very excited to start looking at 2018 rankings, but somehow in my H2H's made playoffs in 4 YPL's of 7, and made finals of all 4. Barely paying attention due to my schedule atm, but it'd be a sick sweep (and also winning my big Roto league)

100% not touching judge next year. Just no value in where his likely ADP is

In the second half he still has a .375 OBP, a .365 wOBA+, an .875 OPS. his K rate is only up from 29.8% 1st half to 32.6% 2nd half, so its not quite as dramatic as you might think. And Judge actually has a better BB:K ratio in teh second half than he did in the first half! ...all while going through his worst/longest slump of the season.

also dont forget he was dealing with a shoulder injury that seems to be under reported. by some accounts he played through it for weeks, which coincidentally (or not?) was during that slump, and nobody really talked about it until he finally missed several games in order to try to let it heal up.

I think Judge will be fine, and if people really are avoiding him I'll be buying in every league that I dont already own him.

How would you rank the following for redraft in 2017? Assume 6x6 H2H with some form of OBP/SLG/OPS used.

Harper
Stanton
Judge
Turner
Correa
Rizzo
Bellinger
JDM
Arenado
Votto
Freeman
Altuve
Bryant
Blackmon

4 early mock's to reference

http://www.couchmanagers.com/mock_dr...draftnum=40960
http://www.couchmanagers.com/mock_dr...draftnum=40959
http://www.couchmanagers.com/mock_dr...draftnum=40958
http://www.couchmanagers.com/mock_dr...draftnum=40957

What stats are those drafts using?

I would assume standard 5x5 with AVG, nothing is listed anywhere