He's been good all year, 2.37 ERA and 1.24 WHIP with almost K per inning before today. Seemed to have found it at Chicago, but a bad outing today

Abort ship on holland guy sucks

Nice shiny ERA, same old crappy peripherals.
SwStr under 9%, walking close to 10% of hitters, SIERA and FIP both in the mid 4's/low 5's right where they've been for the past 2 years.
His BABIP allowed this year is only .257 which is in no way sustainable, especially considering it was over .300 for his career coming into the year. Once the hits start falling his his ERA and WHIP are going to skyrocket.
All the projection systems expect him to have an ERA close to 5 and whip over 1.4 the rest of the way.
Thats way below fantasy replacement level.

if i ever owned derek holland on a team id kill myself

Brag: held Kiermiaer this whole time. Beat: he's sat on my bench for of all of it. OF is Springer, Trumbo, Judge, Duvall, KDavis, UTIL Schebler

Is robbie gross man for real

Impressive. I have had him too but just shipped him for odor

I mean, he's not really doing anything earthshattering at the moment unless your in an obp league. And if so I say go get him

If not he sucks against lefties and has middling power

It's hilarious to me that while judge is amazing Alonso has been convincingly better

Held keimeraier all year and dropped him when he was hitting sub 200 and dropped in the order

Tried to add him back twice in the last week but lost out on a higher waiver priority

Fun times

Fangraphs had an article on him in late April

166 wRC+ and 417 woba at that point against lefties since the start of 2016

Might be small sample size but if he's entrenched in the 2 hole of that lineup could be a good source counting stats

Drafted Keirmaier on all 4 teams and dropped him everywhere a while back. Added him once earlier this week and he is still available in the other 3 but hard to fit him back in.

Alonso is awesome this year but cmon this statement is a bit of a stretch isn't it? By what metric is Alonso better than Judge?

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...ers=2530,15640

In a vacuum Judge seems to be better in all facets, not to mention he plays OF which is shallower than 1B this year

Not quite

ISO: .376 to .365. Alonso wins

11.7 PA/HR for judge, 10.8 PA/HR for Alonso

Your move

My hot take for the morning is alonso has at least 21 homers so far this year with his current hitting profile if he played for the Yankees

Judge has scored almost 2x as many runs and gets on base at a much higher clip.

Maybe in terms of a few cherry picked non relevant to fantasy stats Alonso has been better but that's part of the draw for judge - playing in yankee stadium and actually hitting in a lineup where the counting stats will be produced

Hmmmmmm

Plus there's still the .400 BABIP to try to fade

Well the most recent article on him is that he's solved lefties. And this year he has most assuredly not solved lefties

I think he's a great play if he's going to be hitting 2nd all season but iirc he's the 4th or 5th regular #2 hitter they've tried so far. He's certainly the most equipped for it if they're patient though

Touché, but there's not a chance you're ever taking Alonso over judge ever

At the moment that's probably true. And a lot of that of course has to do with resale value (of which alonso still has none cuz every update on every homer for a month has been 'never done this before, great sell high candidate') and of course cuz he plays 1b and judge plays OF, andddd of course cuz judge plays in Yankee stadium and alonso plays in the literal opposite

But all that said!

Judge isn't mike trout, which means he'll be adjusted to like all rookie power hitters who start the season like a bat out of hell. And that's where I give alonso a possible edge. Counting on a rookie to readjust to adjustments over a full season is a dangerous game. The closest comparison I can come up with in recent memory is joc's rookie year

LOL

I love Alonso. Swooped him in every league I could. But Judges upside in R/RBI is so far beyond Alonso's that its hard to compare the two
And I think we are seeing Alonso's absolute peak, whereas Judge can conceivably improve. Plus Judge runs so thats an extra category he contributes in that Yonder is guaranteed to basically give you a zero in

the problem is while that's a fair post in a vacuum, all of it ignores context

in a standard 5x5 judge currently has the advantage over alonso in runs steals and average. homers are a wash and technically leaning alonso. rbi alonso is pacing 41 in 211 PAs to judge's 40 so i'm going to call that a wash as well. a few problems:

1. judge's advantage in avg is based on a preposterous BABIP. in order for it to be even remotely close to what it is currently his HR/FB can't afford to drop. he hits far too many ground balls for his fly ball in play rate to increase and his line drive BABIP will also decrease. there's just no reasonable way to expect him to be a .300 hitter ROS especially if his increasing k trend continues

2. judge has a ton of R+RBI in part cuz he's great but in larger part because he's hitting 3rd or 4th in a lineup where there is a staggering amount of overperforming. maybe gardner/hicks/castro/holliday/gregorious reinvented themselves as really good hitters. there is a ton of OBP in front of him right now and pretty good OBP behind him as well. it's possible it maintains, or doesn't drop enough to make that big a difference, plus gary sanchez is back and finally hitting well again too, but besides sanchez what name that i listed do you really believe can maintain their current pace?

3. we have no idea what alonso's absolute peak is, which is really the premise of it all to begin with. bautista was 30 when he had his breakout season out of literally nowhere. alonso reinvented his swing and approach and went from contact hitting ground ball machine to an almost exclusively fly ball hitter with a ton of power. he's swinging harder than he ever has in his career and has the lowest contact rate of his career, for all intents and purposes he's a rookie we have no read on whatsoever because this is a completely different hitter than his entire career of evidence and hitting approach has given us.

4. it's true that alonso's runs are pretty victimized by the horse**** behind him and his RBI may be a bit nerfed by the fact that davis is hitting in front of him. i have a hard time believing, especially on a team as analytically driven as oakland, that if alonso maintains his current trajectory he'll be hitting 5th instead of 4th for very long, which is really important for the a's to give him the opportunity to boost his counting stats (a huge boost in runs with davis behind him) because...

5. ...he's a free agent this offseason. the a's aren't likely going anywhere, they have chapman in the minors and still have healy and among the teams looking for a 1b/dh and contending whose situations would be gin for alonso you have: boston, minnesota, houston, doyers and, amusingly enough to bring all of this full circle, the yankees. i know they have bird, but bird blows and i can't imagine the yankees would feel too bad about renting alonso for a year and letting bird come back in 2018