So TheLadyMacArthurs just sent Bryan Little and Alex Pietrangelo to HabsoluteOwnage for Oscar Klefbom and Jean-Gabriel Pageau. I'm very hands off when it comes to letting managers make decisions that they feel is best for their teams, but this one is completely non-sensical. Were there supposed to be draft picks involved? What is going on here?

Klefbom is an okay second pairing defenseman that occasionally chips in offensively and Pageau is a third line center with almost no fantasy relevance. They are owned in 8% and 4% of yahoo leagues, respectively.

Alex Pietrangelo is a 30-40 point defenseman (would be more if Shattenkirk wasn't the PP QB) that contributes a ton in terms of shots and blocks. He is a very useful player in almost all fantasy formats, but especially ours. Bryan Little is a top line center that is good for about 60-65 points and is having a great year. They are owned 93% and 87% in yahoo leagues, respectively.

So here you have two guys that aren't really worth rostering being traded for two guys who would be keepers on most teams. To make matters worse, Klefbom fractured his finger a few days ago and is out indefinitely.

I know Rat is a stand up dude so I don't think there was any collusion in play, but I think this is so blatantly lopsided and ridiculous that a veto is in order. There is no rationale whatsoever for a trade like this to occur. Had there been draft picks in the mix I could understand it to some degree, but not straight up.

Would like some input from the rest of the league but I don't think I'm alone in believing this to be veto worthy.

I pretty much never veto, but I voted against this. It just makes zero sense to me. Were draft picks accidentally removed from the trade before hitting accept? Pageau and Klefbom are both significantly worse than Little and Pietrangelo. Like A5 said, first liners vs second/third liners.

I was already debating with a buddy of mine because of this trade. I am strongly against vetoing trades, but I am having a really hard time making any senses of this.

I can see an argument for Pageau because he has already 4 SHP(and since this category is nearly completely random and usually won by one point per week) I think he has value there.(sidenote: ffs lets finally remove SHP). Klefblom "could" be the next #1 D in EDM, but most likely Nurse is going to be it. Little and Pietrangelo are just so much better.

Since both owners usually make sensible trades that make sense and are not lopsided my conclusion was, that this trade was not accepted on purpose and something was forgotten. (I think in general in our league people make sensible trades and I have yet to see a really lopsided trade where you couldn't make arguments for both parties.

edit: with me also missclicking I voted against the other trade (Schwartz for Keith). I didn't want to and I somehow can't undo it. Schwartz for Keith makes sense to me.

well you guys better start looking for a new player for next year because i'm out

this was a horse**** veto and you guys know it

**** off

lol rat

cheaters gonna cheat

Montreal typical

how did i cheat

I totally missed this trade. It looks terrible but I don't generally veto unless there is some sort of collusion going on.

I can't tell if this was trying to cheat or not. It looked more like pieces were missing.

But you by not giving up at least some picks or any at serviceable player this looks just horrible. In a league where nearly nobody knows anyone personally, money is involved and otherwise every trade makes at least any sense I think it is fair to question this trade.

Isn't it also kind of the reason a veto system exists, to prevent completely unbalanced trades?

If you could maybe explain the deal from the other perspective I think we could all agree on it.

there's nothing to explain, really. i woke up yesterday and had this trade offer without ever having any contact with "james", whoever that is, and simply accepted it. you'd have to ask him for his reasoning.

and lol at not giving up a serviceable player. klefbom has more points than pietrangelo this year playing for the goddamn oilers and is 3 years younger. yes he just got injured, but i doubt this last place team worries too much about the next few weeks of play and is looking more at his keeper potential.

whatever. there was no collusion and you are all massively petty.

Pietrangelo has scored or been on pace for 40+ points in every season he's been in the league besides this one. But whatever, I would have laughed but allowed the trade to go through if those were the only major pieces in the trade. The fact that you also happened to pick up a stud center in the process is where the deal gets ridiculous and completely unjustifiable.

Also, you know that proving collusion is impossible unless we like, hack into your email right? All we can do is make a judgement called based on the trade itself if anything fishy might be going on, and you're kidding yourself if you don't think that is an incredibly lopsided trade in your favor.

I never ruled out the possibility of him just going full ****** and handing over established talent for next to nothing, but again, how the hell is anybody supposed to know? In my dealings with him he has had steep prices for all of his players. Earlier this year when I was desperate for a goalie I offered Duchene for Pavelec (lol me I know) and he turned it down despite having Mrazek, Rask, Andersen, and Elliot behind him. Previously I had offered Backes for Andersen and he acted insulted that I would even make such an offer. All his proposals to me over the last year or so that I've engaged him in trade talks have been decidely in his favor. It's hard to see him trading two very good established players for a couple of guys that can be picked up in 95% of yahoo leagues for free unless he forgot to include a swap of picks or something else.

As I said earlier, I am very much against trade vetoes in most cases. Only when the trade is so lopsided that no rationale can justify it for one party do I think one is warranted, and that happened to be the case here. It is so bad that people here are assuming it was some kind of a misclick. That speaks volumes.

Anyways, the trade that was accepted in it's place is obviously completely fine, however I think it's pretty douchey to announce that you are quitting the league and then immediately trade away your first round pick.

If Rat received a trade request and accepted it without ever having even talked to this guy then it can't be collusion and I think it is pretty ridiculous to veto a trade just because it is one sided.

Ultimately nobody can really know if collusion is in play. I don't think it's likely, but the complete absurdness of the trade in a league with a decent amount of money in play and a lot of competitive owners should raise some red flags.

As Dia said, if you aren't vetoing this then you might as well not even give people the option and just let the commisioner make those decisions if he finds evidence of collusion.

Is that Gallagher trade for real? Grazz made out like a bandit on some Montreal scrub player whose ceiling is 50pts in a season.

I'll offer a bargain on Kadri who IMO is same tier as Gallagher... Can have him straight up for a 3rd round pick!

Or maybe Plekanec for a 1st rounder?

Are you pissed that you didn't get anything in return for Kadri or do you have a serious issue with this trade?

Also Gallagagher was a 1st round pick last year and while I think Kadri is a fine player,I think Gallagher is better.

Also I am actively trying to initiate trades for quite some time. Because I think in general fantasy sports is much more fun with a lot of trades. It is really hard, because some managers are hard to reach and I am kind of frustrated. You only get reactions from a few people in general.(who it makes sense to trade, we are in similiar positions so I didn't think it made sense.)

But I think complaining about this kind of deal is really not justified. Because serious arguments for both sides can be made and in the end it is picks for a player upgrade to compete in the playoffs.

He's on a 60 point pace. A 2 and a 5 seems reasonable.

Gallaghers season average puts him as the 30th most valueable player in our league. Don't really see any issue here.

The only thing I am concerned about with all these picks being traded is eventually we are going to have a guy trade all his picks and then leave the league.

I am being serious in that I think Graz wins the trade big time. But it's most definitely not even close to vetoable, was just stating my opinion as there is no way I'd get anything close to a similar return on Plekanec or Kadri if I was trying to make trades.

Most definitely has nothing to do with being butt hurt as I haven't made any trade offers in a while as I decided a while ago I won't be returning next year. Don't have the time.

Pm me if opening in this league

If you guys are cool with, I can add housenuts as a co-owner to my team now that way he can make some trades this season if he wants to.

Well Rat said he was going to leave the league after we collectively vetoed his earlier trade and has now basically traded all of his top picks for this upcoming playoff run. Hopefully he wasn't being serious or he changed his mind at some point because that's a pretty scummy move for anybody, let alone a longtime 2p2er.

Re: Gallagher - it's a steep price but the value of rentals is pretty subjective so it's hard to say whether something is good or bad. He's a very underrated fantasy player in general and would likely be a keeper on a handful of teams.

DDIP, the deadline expired yesterday so no trades can be made at this point. Once the season ends he can talk to cwice about taking over your spot.

I see that we renewed this league again this year. I really need a co-owner again or am probably out this year. If you remember, I started as a comanager and the guy I was with dropped out. I just don't have the time or intelligence to do this on my own (as evidenced by my ****ty team).

If someone wants to join and share the team - let me know.

Hf

I'm in again.

In again.

Will this year be the first year, where I can end my playoff drought? (Judging from my Keepers probably not )

What are we looking at for draft date?

I have set the keeper deadline for Sunday, October 9th. I was thinking we would draft either Monday, Oct. 10 or Tuesday, Oct. 11 in advance of the season starting on October 12.