Can confirm that tie breaker goes by regular season H2H record. If somehow still tied, the higher seed advances.

I've talked ITT before about adding or removing certain categories, but after thinking about it more it seems like it would create an unfair advantage for certain teams depending on which categories are added / removed. It's probably better to just leave things the way they are to avoid the potential controversy.

I would be down for getting rid of it. Most weeks it's a zero or one. Not really something you can draft for or count on.

So this whole fiasco with the consolation bracket is all my fault for not realizing what was going on sooner, but here are the cliffs:

The Lady MacArthur's intentionally tanked their first round matchup to Joe Pavelskeet, presumably because the latter owns the former's first round draft choice. If you check the box score, players are intentionally benched, and inactive or injured players fill out the roster. As you know, the winner of the consolation bracket wins the first pick in the draft, which is a highly coveted prize this season for obvious reasons.

As we have reached the finals of the consolation bracket, the same situation is about to occur. Joe Pavelskeet owns my first round pick because of an ill-advised mid-season trade on my part, so it is obviously in their best interests to bench everyone and let me win.

I'm not sure what should be done about this, but the intentional benching and dropping of useful players does not sit right with me. As I see it, a possible solution for this season is to reconstruct the first matchup as if it was played correctly and see if Joe Pavelskeet still advances (they almost certainly will, their opponent's roster is a tire fire). Joe Pavelskeet would then be forced to play a roster against me in the finals of the consolation bracket.

However, there are also problems with this proposal. The main one I have is that it seems unfair to change outcomes after the fact, and also to force managers to set lineups. (Granted, not setting a lineup and completely benching a lineup are two different things and should be treated as such.) It could also mean that should Joe Pavelskeet win the consolation bracket, the Lady MacArthur's end up winning the first pick in the draft because of a manipulated outcome, which also leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

If anyone has any comments, suggestions, or mainly, potential solutions to this issue, please post them in this thread. I fear that not much can be done about this now, but changes regarding the consolation bracket and our system of determining draft picks will have to be made in the future.

Sorry that this had to put a damper on another fun season, guys.

I completely agree that it isn't right to be sitting players even if it is the optimum play given the circumstances.

The only fair solution I can think of is a NHL style draft lottery for those who end up in the consolation bracket..... No idea on how it should be weighted amongst the 6.

Perhaps by the results of the consolation bracket itself? You win the bracket you get something like a 40-50% chance and the rest distributed among the rest of the 5 teams?

That's really unfortunate. It's hard to make rules to stop this or go back in time to fix but I completely agree throwing a match is completely against the spirit of the pool. I don't have a good idea on how to make things fair but something certainly needs to be done. We have a don't be a douche rule in one of my leagues where doing something that is obviously against the spirit of the league costs you a draft pick.

I will think hard about this, but I am also not really in favor of deliberately losing which just skews the results(I always lost fair and square xD) . I mean it is completely within the rules what he did, but it I think we have a good league and a good spirit going in general(so we play the league as if we all knew each other in RL) and if one of my RL buddies would pull such a stunt he would be chastised.

To prevent that a lottery would be a good thing and maybe I might find another solution too if I think hard about it.

Not sure if I am in favor of penalizing the person for doing something within the rules but against the spirit is the way to go. I would prefer a community decision that doesn't disfavor anyone in particular. We have to have a clause that's preventing things like this tough! I really enjoy this league and put quite a lot of time into it and I think I am not the only one.

Thanks to cwise for running. He has already sent me the $$.

Looking forward to next year!

In our keeper league of 14 teams, the draft order for the following year is based on reg season standings only.

8 teams make playoffs.

9th place gets 1st overall.
10th to 14.
Then 8 to 1.

As for a solution for this year, it might be tough. Should just make a competitive clause for next year.

Congrats to DontDoIt on the win.

Thanks to cwice for the money and for running this!

Another round of this would be most welcome!

1: Mike Hoffmann Backes to the Future (Andrew Hammond Joe Pavelskeet)
2: Nick Foligno: The Lady MacArthurs(Mark Giordano: Backes to the future) Roman Josi (Oh N'Oshiei Didn'T!)
3: Jamie Benn ( Jakub Voracek)
4: Oh N'Oshie Didn't!
5: Citizen Kane

Hey Guys,

Lady Mac's here. Was actually popping into the thread to see if there was any information on how the draft order was determined. It's my first year in this league and had no idea how the order was determined. I didn't bother setting a roster for the consolation bracket because I had traded away my whole roster anyways and have spent the last 6 weeks in Turks and Caicos drinking champagne banging my girlfriend. Needless to say fantasy hockey was no longer on my mind. Sorry if that ****ed up anyone's draft order... I'm still not sure how it's determined. I could be down for a competitive clause or something... but as far as I can tell from the thread I didn't really do anything in violation of a rule. Congrats to the winners

PZ

Excited to have another season with you guys!

Do we want to take a look at stats to include / not include? Compete clause?

Yeah I would really be in favor of getting rid of the SHP, otherwise I am fine with all the things. We should all agree on the not intentional losing thing too.


On another note if anyone has any free spots in other fantasy hockey leagues I would be glad to join. Just pm me if you know something

Hey guys! Looking forward to another year. Now would be a good time to propose rule changes to stat categories (as dia already has), or other areas of the league.

Re: the draft, I've been thinking about how we can change that to avoid what happened last year. One idea I had was some sort of draft lottery, or maybe a simple compete clause will do. I'll do some more thinking about it, and feel free to post any ideas you may have.

Question about the draft time - would anyone oppose a mid-afternoon draft on the Sunday before the season starts, or would you prefer we left it at 7PM on the Tuesday before the season?

I think anytime, but Sunday afternoon is good. Sundays are full of football games!

I will be happy with any drafttime, but the earlier the better obvs since I am from Austria and the drafts are usually in the middle of the nigth for me.

Ya, I'm still down for getting rid of SHP. So random. If we're worried about hits having scorer bias, it doesn't make sense to keep SHP which is just completely random. At least with hits, guys who get a lot of hits one year, get a lot of them the next.

I vote to keep SHP, not a fan of HITS at all.

i dont care either way but lol hits

damn bummed I missed this.
never done fantasy hockey but figure since I watch every damn game I might as well start.

if any of u need a guy for a new league starting this year, keeper or redraft, holla at me.

not trying to play huge as like I said I've never played before and have no idea how to rate players (ie: what's more important goalies, D men etc) and I'll prolly just draft all kings players anyway, but anything up to $100 I'm game.

sorry if this post is out of line itt just only fantasy hockey thread I saw.

cheers.

I find hits and SHP terrible tbh. I think it is more a question of getting rid of SHP or not and not adding hits. I think SHP is as bad as GWG as a stat on itself.

I am pretty sure holmfries is looking for a co manager but be warned his team is pretty terrible.

My understanding is that adding a category like hits would drastically change player values in a way that arbitrarily helps some teams and hurts others, so I'm not in favor of that even though I think it would benefit my team tremendously.

As for SHP, upon further reflection I'd like to see it removed, but am okay with whatever the rest decide. Everything else should remain the way it is.

Also, last minute trade alert - I sent a 5th round pick in this year's draft to Khaos (Backes to the Future) for David Backes. Frees up a keeper spot for him and gives him another draft pick while allowing me to upgrade one of my own keepers. A fair trade for both sides, imo.

Do we know the draft order? I also didn't realize that there was a consolation bracket so I hung it up after the regular season.