I love Hopkins, but value-wise you have to keep Lewis, Diggs and Kelce. Also looks like a bunch of great wrs are being thrown back, so not as if you have nothing after hopkins.

I would keep Hopkins and get one of those RBs you mentioned with the 8th pick. If you keep Kelce and go WR at 8 there’s no way one of those RBs make it to you in the 2nd.
I think the value is probably better with Kelce but you most likely won’t have a stud RB. But you know your league, will the 9 and 10 guy go RB or WR most likely?


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Agree

After looking at draft pick 7s team I think he is keeping melvin gordon, k drake & a collins so he is likely going julio @7. So I am going fournette over ODB which leaves me likely with evans @13 or maybe freeman or AJG drops to me but I think that is unlikely. I think the gap between evans & hopkins is smaller than kelce to whoever I could get in the 5th.

Thanks for the help guys.

I wouldn't have much interest in keeping Lewis fwiw, even if he is the "best" value. In a 10 team, non-ppr, he is a borderline rb3/flex imo. You need studs to win, even moreso with less teams, and I just don't see Lewis doing much for your team even if he is worth much more than a 16th pick.

I'd keep Diggs/Kelce for sure, who along with Fournette give you a very nice core to work with. DHop vs. Henry is the closest call for me. If Evans is best case scenario with the DHop pick, I might lean that direction, but wouldn't argue too much with keeping Henry, especially if like you said a ton of RB's are being kept and WR's not so much.

Maybe think about it like this: Would you trade DHop for Evans and Lewis? I personally always like to be on the stud side of 2 for 1's like this vs the depth side, especially in 10 teamers where depth is less important, but if you like the Evans/Lewis side, then go with Dion (or Henry) instead of DHop.

Fournette was even less efficient! You guys are sleeping on Zeke big time.

Meh, like I said I have him at #4 overall so can’t be sleeping on him too much I don’t think. Do you think he’s clearly better than any of the top 3?

Fournette wasn’t in the same situation as Zeke last year whereas Morris was. And it just seems to me like Fournette’s situation has improved whereas Zeke’s has gotten worse so they are closer than most seem to have them imo.

Zeke has one thing over Fournette and it's not ability..


Fournette plays with this.



Fournette faced a stacked box more than almost anybody last year.

Zeke has Dak which keeps teams honest.

So i can see how someone would value Zeke over Fournette because unless Bortles gets hurt that situation isn't changing but when it's close like this I always take who I think is the better talent.

The Dak is far and away better than Bortles argument is baffling to me

ya i don't get it. he's not. people forget how bad Dak was when Zeke wasn't out there. Dak finished last year with a QB rating of 86, Bortles 84 so basically the same. I'd argue Jax has the better WRs with Lee, Cole, Westbrook, Chark, ASJ vs Dallas having Williams, Hurns, Gallup, Beasley, Swaim. Neither is group great though. Both teams have great OL's and offenses that revolve around running the ball which is a plus.

FWIW, Zeke is third for me this year and Fournette 4. And yes Fournette's YPC was awful last year which is usually a bad indicator but he was playing hurt a lot of last year so I'll give him a pass on that.

Dak missed his LT more than he missed Zeke. Dak is also a dual threat QB who has run for 6 tds the last two years. Dak had a rough patch but I'm still a believer. I think he'll figure it out.

Dak's first two seasons

6991 passing yards
45 passing TDs
17 INTS
12 rushing TDs
65% completion percentage
95.5 QBR

Bortles first 2 seasons

7336 passing yards
46 passing TDs
35 INTs
2 rushing TDs
58.8% completion percentage
78.8 QBR (two years)

Not to mention a ton of those 35 TDs Bortles threw his second season were against soft zones when the Jags were down 2-3 scores late in games.

It's not close ya'll.

The league is begging the Jags to throw the ball because the only guy they are really worried about is Fournette. The league plays the Cowboys straight up more.

Now the Jags know Bortles sucks too so they have turned him into a game manager which will hide how god awful he his because he'll hit some wide open TD passes here and there. They are wide open because the defense is terrified that Fournette is going to curb stomp them.

A couple things early in these games.


That Jimmy Graham TD was so yummy! It was purposeful. Love that. Makes me think that he's option #1 inside the 10 yard line. The Jordy replacement. If that's true he's a lock for 10 TDs this season with a insane ceiling. 15-16 TDs possible.

Perine 30 yard run was nice but it was blocked perfectly so he didn't show much. He didn't have too. Just watching him move makes me want to draft him. Do the Skins see it though........

Perine hurt his ankle on that run and Kelly looked like garbage. No clue what to do with that backfield other than avoid.

Jamaal Williams also hurt his ankle (a backfield situation I feel no less clueless on).

Conner looked really good for PIT, might be a top handcuff candidate.

I initially ranked, Hogan way too low and have been constantly moving him up the last couple weeks, how high do you guys have him? Above talented guys with big question marks like Alshon and Gordon and DT, or is that crazy? In Watkins/Manny Sanders territory, or is that too low?

That's a big back (Perine) moving like that.

Hogan is a nice value where he's being drafted. I have no problem drafting him ahead of all those guys you mentioned. Cooks is gone. Gronk and Hogan show this year.

James White looking like a big weapon tonight

People have to realise that the Cowboys receiving core has zero players worth giving bracket coverage to so Dallas should face extra stacked boxes as well.

I'm still Zeke > Fournette but it's closer than either if them to the top 2.

I wanted to crap on the Cowboys WRs so bad. But I dunno, I think they may get to be frustrating to play against by the mid point of the season. Out the gate it's gonna be ugly.

Its not just the WR's either, but the TE situation sucks a heap as well.

What I can't figure out among the shuffle of the middling tier QBs is how Dak Prescott is supposed to be worth a decent chunk more than Eli Manning, with Manning apparently having two of the elite options this year in Engram and Odell.

Yeah, he rushes, but his rushing is usually 1/3 of a touchdown and 20 odd yards. Lets call it 4 points a game, or ~65 points over the season.

There seems to be an inefficiency somewhere, either one of Engram/Odell is over-rated, Eli is under rated, or Dak is overrated given his ADP

EDIT: I wrote this up under the guess Dak was QB14 or so, but google tells me he is 20 (Eli is 24th)

Makes more sense, but I still think that Eli is criminally under-rated for two QB leagues given he is apparently going to have two of the top 5 receiving options in the league for each position.

They are telling Dak they want him to run way more, fwiw

Which makes him even more valuable. He could run for 8-9 TD's pretty easily........

Have a 12-team PPR draft tonight. Draft order is randomly determined, but instead of the first person selected having the #1 pick, they get to get choose what slot they want. I assume I should grab one of the top 4 slots if available, but does anybody have a preference after that?

I like 5 or 6 cuz you can most likely get Brown and then still get a top RB in the 2nd round. Or 8-9 and get Barkley/Kamara/Fournette/Cook and grab a good WR 2nd


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I think it's basically the higher the better, though I do prefer 3 and 2 over 1, but that's partially because I have DJ at #1.

I was thinking #5 after the top 4. Not sure I like 6 cause I feel like that's the start of the next tier.

Agreed. Have it as 3>2>1>4 if I get to choose.