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09-23-2020 , 03:34 PM
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With Sklansky credit duly noted:

Fundamental Theoremof GTO Poker 
  Hero PlaysGTo
  YesNo
VillainYesNeither GainVillain Gains
Plays GTONoHero GainsBetter Player Gains
Last edited by statmanhal; 09-23-2020 at 03:41 PM.
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09-24-2020 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wacker1913
Example:
Lets say we have a good winning reg, a total fish and a GTO bot

GTO bot vs fish -> GTO bot wins 8bb/100
Reg vs fish -> Reg wins 20bb/100
GTO bot bs reg -> GTO bot wins 3bb/100
LMAO no

The idea that a nash equilibrium bot would NOT absolutely destroy a human is ****ing ******ed. Humans have no chance. Even that "good winning reg" sucks in absolute terms and would get creamed by the bot.
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09-24-2020 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jl121
LMAO no

The idea that a nash equilibrium bot would NOT absolutely destroy a human is ****ing ******ed. Humans have no chance. Even that "good winning reg" sucks in absolute terms and would get creamed by the bot.
LLinusLLove only lost 0.5bb/100 (1bb/100 standard error) vs 5 Pluribus bots, which I believe converge to Nash equilibrium in HU pots (but not in multiway pots, where Nash equilibrium isn't necessarily best strategy when players deviate). Wouldn't call that destroyed. A lot of actions are mixed, so even if a reg ****s up the frequencies, you can still perform pretty good vs GTO bots
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09-24-2020 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
This is all a bit complicated for me.
I'm not good with complicated logic and math.

Is it possible to demonstrate your points with a simple poker hand example?

The strategic dominance article is pretty interesting, but how do you prove GTO is a strategic dominant strategy?
A hand example:


Heads up; 100 BB stacks; No rake; Standard blinds.

Opponent goes all in preflop every hand.

It should be apparent why GTO is plus EV.
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09-26-2020 , 03:04 PM
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LMAO no

The idea that a nash equilibrium bot would NOT absolutely destroy a human is ****ing ******ed. Humans have no chance. Even that "good winning reg" sucks in absolute terms and would get creamed by the bot.
So probably you have no idea what a good reg is :-)

Best regs lose less 1bb/100 vs gto bots

You would probably lose much more...
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09-26-2020 , 07:00 PM
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So probably you have no idea what a good reg is :-)

Best regs lose less 1bb/100 vs gto bots

You would probably lose much more...
There's only a small sample size of LL vs Pluribus for example though. Although, of course it's true that a good theoretical player will lose less to the bot than others of less skill.
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09-27-2020 , 02:41 PM
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LLinusLLove
To be fair, when they said "winning reg" they probably didn't mean "#1 player in the world". Pointing out how well Linus did vs Pluribus says little about how a more typical winning reg would do against an actual GTO bot.
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