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07-28-2021 , 12:45 PM
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Hi.
What winrate do you have from different positions?
What can be a reasonable target to aim at.
This is my stats from NL10, 6max zoom at Pokerstars.
What is yours?

My stats (bb/100)
EP: 23
MP: 18
CO: 20
Bu: 29
SB: -34
BB: -52
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07-28-2021 , 07:26 PM
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Here are population average win rates over a 4 million hand sample at 200z ignition (2018-2021 sample).



Here is some positional winrates for a solved tree that someone posted (link below). [1]

UTG: 10.4bb/100
MP: 13.3bb/100
CO: 17.1bb/100
BTN: 23.6bb/100
SB: -26.9bb/100
BB: -47.4bb/100

And then here are my own positional win rates (stakes 5nl - 1knl)



[1] https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...rates-1774082/
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07-28-2021 , 09:14 PM
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Wow, fantastic answer brokenstars
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08-19-2021 , 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Here are population average win rates over a 4 million hand sample at 200z ignition (2018-2021 sample).



Here is some positional winrates for a solved tree that someone posted (link below). [1]

UTG: 10.4bb/100
MP: 13.3bb/100
CO: 17.1bb/100
BTN: 23.6bb/100
SB: -26.9bb/100
BB: -47.4bb/100

And then here are my own positional win rates (stakes 5nl - 1knl)



[1] https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...rates-1774082/

thanks for sharing!
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09-09-2021 , 05:05 AM
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So are those population average winrates suggesting the average player is paying 9BB/100 rake in Ignition?
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09-09-2021 , 09:33 AM
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So are those population average winrates suggesting the average player is paying 9BB/100 rake in Ignition?
poker is a rake trap
it's a fact
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09-09-2021 , 11:06 PM
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So are those population average winrates suggesting the average player is paying 9BB/100 rake in Ignition?
Not quite, it'd be less than that. It suggests the average player is losing 9bb/100, though.
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09-12-2021 , 05:34 AM
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How can average player lose 9bb/100 without 9bb/100 rake? The losing players have to be made up for by the players they are losing to. Without rake, the average player would earn 0bb/100, since some people would lose but other players would necessarily win when those players lose, canceling out the average winrate to 0. I can't see how the average loss rate is 9bb/100 without that also being the rake paid.
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09-12-2021 , 08:35 AM
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How can average player lose 9bb/100 without 9bb/100 rake? The losing players have to be made up for by the players they are losing to. Without rake, the average player would earn 0bb/100, since some people would lose but other players would necessarily win when those players lose, canceling out the average winrate to 0. I can't see how the average loss rate is 9bb/100 without that also being the rake paid.
Yeah I guess it should be zero sum and equal to rake, not sure what I'm missing. I don't pay 9bb/100 in rake at 200z though.
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09-12-2021 , 03:07 PM
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Yeah I guess it should be zero sum and equal to rake, not sure what I'm missing. I don't pay 9bb/100 in rake at 200z though.
You are not average player. Maybe you play tighter then pool and pay less rake.
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09-12-2021 , 03:44 PM
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Yeah fishes and looser regs will pay a **** ton more rake than someone playing with a low vpip pfr gap, like double potentially, probably more than double for some fishes
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09-12-2021 , 06:54 PM
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You are not average player. Maybe you play tighter then pool and pay less rake.
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Yeah fishes and looser regs will pay a **** ton more rake than someone playing with a low vpip pfr gap, like double potentially, probably more than double for some fishes
Ah, yes, this is likely the correct answer.

I play something like 25-21-10 ish at 200z I think and I end up around 6.5bb/100 in rake paid.
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