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Originally Posted by ZKesic
In a perfectly polarized situation, the bettor would always win more often than the caller, unless he's overbluffing.
Slowplays (calls that beat some of the bettor's value range) can potentially change this though. It depends on the exact situation.
This is the correct answer. Essentially everyone in here is pointing out factual things but only pointing at half the equation.
The people saying Alice are pointing to the fact that Bob doesn't have to win 50% of the time to call; the people saying Bob are pointing to the fact that Alice doesn't need to win 50% of the time to bet. Assuming a perfectly polarized scenario (Alice's value hands have 100% equity and her bluffs have 0% equity), Alice will win most of the time; but value hands only need to have <50% equity when called for the bet to be +EV, so assuming her value hands have barely more than 50% equity and her bluffs still have close to 0% equity, she'll have less than 50% equity when called.
So assuming she's bluffing at threshold and her bluffs have close to 0% equity, it's just a matter of how often Bob is ahead of her value hands.
In practice, even between two bots, I'm pretty confident asserting Alice-bot's equity with her value range is high enough on average that she's winning >50% when called. The river aggressor is generally the one who already had the uncapped range before betting* (so the top of the range has close to 100% equity), and Bob-bot's call-down range is generally made up of far more bluff-catchers than slowplays (so that the bottom of Alice's value range is generally well above 50% when called).
However, this would be less true in a scenario where the only bet size is all-in, since value bets are at their thinnest and in fact range merges are possible.
If applied to live poker between two humans, where thin value bets are rare, pots are generally underbluffed, and people call too light, it's especially safe to say Alice is going to be shipping the pot an enormous percentage of the time.
*For this reason, the fact that we're on the 4th betting street is important here. In an AIPF scenario, it is generally the case that both players took an aggressive action at each opportunity, thus there is no "slowplay" necessary and no tendency for one player to be more uncapped than the other. If it were an unopened pot in a blind vs blind scenario in a game with two big blinds that had checked down to the river, that would change things considerably. In almost all scenarios on the river, though, there is someone who was already at an advantage, and the fact that one player is betting implies it was more likely to be that person.
Last edited by RaiseAnnounced; 05-23-2018 at 01:47 PM.