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09-11-2018 , 01:14 AM
6 max BvB - counting removal effects. People are more likely to fold a 9 then an Ace so its much more then 45/55

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NL Holdem $0.10(BB)
CO ($10.15) [VPIP: 24.3% | PFR: 13.5% | AGG: 20% | 3-Bet: 6.7% | Hands: 40]
BTN ($11.56) [VPIP: 24.5% | PFR: 18.6% | AGG: 38.2% | 3-Bet: 8.6% | Hands: 4176]
SB ($10.49) [VPIP: 32.7% | PFR: 23.7% | AGG: 33.6% | 3-Bet: 11% | Hands: 433]
HERO ($12.62) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 22.6% | AGG: 30.9% | 3-Bet: 10.2% | Hands: 38363]
HJ ($8.15) [VPIP: 18.5% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 32.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 82]

Dealt to Hero: A K

HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Raises To $0.25, HERO Raises To $0.75, SB Raises To $2.20, HERO Raises To $12.62 (allin), SB Calls $8.29 (allin)

Flop ($23.11): A 2 6

Turn ($23.11): A 2 6 8

River ($23.11): A 2 6 8 2

Spoiler:

SB shows: 9 9

HERO wins: $19.94
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09-11-2018 , 01:29 AM
Not sure what exactly you're asking but AdKc v 9h9s is 56/44 if seeing all 5 cards
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09-11-2018 , 09:03 AM
There are some slightly significant card removal effects due to this being a BvB spot (and you obviously block AA and KK strongly), but if you want to calculate your equity vs villain's range, you should just make your best guess of what villain's stack-off range is in this spot.

e.g. If you were playing against Snowie, I think its 4b/call off range for this spot is as wide as 55+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs.
Against that range, AKo has 49% equity.
A typical 10NL player is likely to have a much tighter/stronger 4b/call range. If they stack TT+,AQs+,AKo then you're down to 43%.
Whatever the case, AK is a standard stack off for me in this spot, even at 2NL.
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09-11-2018 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerCrazy94
Not sure what exactly you're asking but AdKc v 9h9s is 56/44 if seeing all 5 cards
Not if you count removal effects since we are in the blinds. Less likely Aces and Kings were folded and more likely 9s were folded.
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09-11-2018 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
There are some slightly significant card removal effects due to this being a BvB spot (and you obviously block AA and KK strongly), but if you want to calculate your equity vs villain's range, you should just make your best guess of what villain's stack-off range is in this spot.

e.g. If you were playing against Snowie, I think its 4b/call off range for this spot is as wide as 55+, AJs+, AQo+, KQs.
Against that range, AKo has 49% equity.
A typical 10NL player is likely to have a much tighter/stronger 4b/call range. If they stack TT+,AQs+,AKo then you're down to 43%.
Whatever the case, AK is a standard stack off for me in this spot, even at 2NL.
Thank Arty,

Is it possible to quantify the odds of a 9 being folded from UTG-BTN and the odds of an Ace/King not being folded? Like is there a program that can help or can we do it manually?
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09-11-2018 , 10:52 PM
What you're asking for as far as card removal due to preflop open ranges is going to be super negligible. You could figure it out but the time you would spend would be far better off spent elsewhere.

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09-11-2018 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
What you're asking for as far as card removal due to preflop open ranges is going to be super negligible.
I disagree.

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Originally Posted by SHIP_DAT
You could figure it out but the time you would spend would be far better off spent elsewhere.
I agree.
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09-11-2018 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by whosnext
I disagree.



I agree.
How do you go about figuring it out? I can't write cool code like you, is there a program that could help with this?
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09-12-2018 , 12:57 AM
There may well be software out there that can tackle this type of problem, but I am not aware of any.

Also, given specific ranges of folded hands it may be possible to analytically derive frequencies of folded cards. Or, as I and others have done over the years, this is fairly easy to simulate.

2+2's Software forum may be able to answer the first question and 2+2's Probability forum may be able to answer the second question.
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