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Originally Posted by Lezaleas
Assign some percentage of hands you think he's 3betting with, then calculate his MDF after your shove to know which hands he needs to call and then simply shove anything that`s
+EV against that. Remember to calculate what happens when the fish wakes up with AA too
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Originally Posted by JCA88
Sorry, what's MDF?
Minimum defense frequency - in this case the range for calling your 4bet shove
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Originally Posted by JCA88
I think fish is descriptive enough for this scenario, but for clarification: he played too many hands preflop (no idea on his VPIP, probably something like 50-70%) always for a limp or coldcall. Puts in too much money postflop with presumably marginal hands before even
Fish can mean many, many different play styles, nits can be fish too - just say two passive call stations next time
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Originally Posted by JCA88
I'm not sure where you get the idea I was opening too much from HJ/CO?
Taking a quick look at Equilab my opening range from CO when folded to me was probably around 30-32%, from HJ probably around 26-28%.
1 The way you phrased it made it sound like you were opening pretty frequently. I was tried to be careful not be accusatory, just relaying how I interpreted it.
2. HJ/CO playing 6 handed is not as premium a spot as full ring. I know it's 6 handed so open your range yadda yadda yadda, but I think you're playing too wide a range.
3. Over the course of a single session, it was possible you were opening as often as 50% of the time playing those ranges. It wouldn't be all that out of the ordinary to get a good run of cards while also having the guys in front of you open when you were getting dealt the cards you wouldn't open with anyway.
My meaning is if you are opening a range of 32% from the CO, over a 10 hand sample, you'll probably get that range dealt to you 3 times. It wouldn't be insane for it to only be folded to you five time, in which case you're viewed as opening 3/5 hands. I don't mean to be patronizing, just don't know a better way to explain your image could easily be much wilder than your range - especially on a site that forbids tracking software.
4. I still think those ranges are too wide.
Top 32%
http://www.pokerhandrange.com/range/32 includes hand like Q5s, K2s, T7s, etc. If I see someone regularly opening from the CO with that, I'm widening my 3bet range dramatically. Especially if #3 tricks me into thinking he's probably opening wider.
I think you can get away with that from the CO, but 28% from HJ is suicide in my opinion. There are 4 players behind you left to act, 2 are eager to defend, the other 2 have position on you. Just not a good spot to play a wide range.
I would probably do the same thing he did if I were in his position unless you started 4betting me - in which case - back to the lab
Just my thoughts
Last edited by rickroll; 06-16-2019 at 08:58 AM.