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09-10-2018 , 09:02 AM

Gcm1998

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CO opens 25%; BB defends a GTo range minus some bottom of range combos
flop: KsJsQd- BB checks range and IP bets 30% pot 53% of the time(I put an image link, hope its working)
https://gyazo.com/5cd21d22791a7f4645a27f20577e9749

then on turn 2

Ip bets more often with 2nd pair than with top pair
https://gyazo.com/0f230532b9b13380d3f016a8f445518f
(hope link is working)
the turn strat is quite weird. Dont have a concrete question. Just wondering how I should interpret these type of non-standard results

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09-10-2018 , 11:41 AM

ohly

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the most interesting part of the solution is missing: what is villain's starting range on the turn and what is he continuing with? maybe top pair is not a clear valuebet anymore?

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09-10-2018 , 01:10 PM

Gcm1998

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Originally Posted by ohly

the most interesting part of the solution is missing: what is villain's starting range on the turn and what is he continuing with? maybe top pair is not a clear valuebet anymore?

Sure top pair may not be a clear value bet on turn but why is 2nd pair betting so often? And weak pair is betting even more often

This is villain's range on turn:
https://gyazo.com/571cd3b4762f17ff2ba6d049058eec78

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09-10-2018 , 01:26 PM

ohly

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i would say because this board is so wet you are not cbetting alot of pure air so your bluffs have to come from the weakest value. does that make sense from what you see in the results?

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09-10-2018 , 05:46 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Since the images weren't included in the thread, for quick reference, the board is Ks Qd Js 2h.

It's definitely a bit weird that AQs/AQo is apparently bet more often on the turn than AKs/AKo is. I presume it's something to do with blockers, and equity vs the continuance range, and the point ohly made about 'bluffs' being drawn from made hands that are just a bit lower in your range. So straights and sets are your fat value bets, AK (TPTK) is somewhere in the middle of your range and can be checked back, while AQ (and TT for that matter) is kind of a semi-bluff.

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09-10-2018 , 05:47 PM

Gcm1998

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Originally Posted by ohly

i would say because this board is so wet you are not cbetting alot of pure air so your bluffs have to come from the weakest value. does that make sense from what you see in the results?

Take a look at the flop strat for ip. There's alot of air combos getting bet and it doesnt make sense to turn AQ into a bluff. Wish some wizard could explain this to me

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09-10-2018 , 05:52 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Note that it gives up with most of the total air (undercards) on the turn, because those hands (e.g. 86s) have very low equity. AQ/TT can still make the nuts.

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09-10-2018 , 06:09 PM

Gcm1998

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Are the gyazo links not working?

On the turn facing a bet OOP should fold top pair 58% and fold 2nd pair only 30%. So betting AQ gets better hands to fold( K5-K9 without flush draws are folding) and worst hands to call (QT is a pure call and so are Qx with flush draw)

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09-10-2018 , 06:17 PM

Gcm1998

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So I nodelocked OOP's strat on turn to call all top pairs and only continue with QT and Qx with flush draws and now ip bets more top pair and doesnt bet AQ anymore, so its seems the idea was to get value from Qx and folds from weak top pair altho real villains might not fold these weak top pairs on the turn

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