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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Thanks for responses, all. I was arguing with someone who thought A8s was clearly better than ATo (to the extent that they thought A8s was a blindingly obvious 3bet but wanted to flat ATo). My contention was that ATo is a small amount better against this particular opponent. I didn't particularly want to threebet either hand (would rather get money in with huge equity advantage later rather than create a large pot pushing small preflop edges from OOP) but would prefer to threebet AT to A8s. The GTO idea of better opportunities to barrel I think is inapplicable to a player that you don't want to bluff.
Probably should have explicitly said that the answer to this is no. The sample hand should give a fair idea.
I personally would rather A8s over ATo but saying one is specifically "better" than another is really a stupid argument and a moot point as it's close and it really doesn't matter because they both make into the 3bet range...
You could solve the EV of both hands with Pio preflop solver nd you could nodelock his strategies on each subset of flops (you can use the built-in pio subsets to get a relatively good representation of all flops) then nodelock each turn and then nodelock each river (assuming you have a rough idea of his strategies/deviations) and now you'd have a model of which hand has higher EV vs this specific villain. OH don't forget to model the scenarios where he 4bets or you get a cold caller or cold 4bettor cause that will affect your optimal range (ah **** can't do multiway solutions...) maybe nevermind about that last part. Probably would only take you a few days/weeks if you know what you're doing and have a server with at least 256gb ram dedicated to pio and a decent CPU, well plus the time to analyze the results and total up the EV of A8s vs ATo.
Seems like a lot of work for nothing! This is a meaningless discussion/argument from a theory perspective imo
From a theory perspective sb vs CO check out the EV of A8s vs ATo that Snowie has