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Originally Posted by just_grindin
Are we only calling the river jam with 44?
I am not saying it's right or wrong just saying if villain's jam range is underfulls+ that has to be the minimum hane we call, right?
I agree. Good point.
The combinatorics of boats vs straights is interesting, since this board should only be a nut straight, quad 9’s or 66699, 44499, or 22299. None of these hands block each other at all, so we really can’t be surprised when it happens.
We might have played bottom set differently. However, assume the hand played out the same way but we are holding pocket 2’s and rivered 22299.
Now the villain could have flopped the straight. But, would villain ever flat the 4x raise with the nuts, and a backdoor spade draw on the board?
Possibly, a crafty player might flat leaving 1/2 pot stack there and then check call with a straight on all rivers (even blanks).
But not this ABC villain. If we raise 4x and villain flats, it is almost always sets, with some nut flush draws and maybe flush/straight combo draws. The only other possibility is that both players hold the same straight, which is the only thing we do block.
So the river paired the board and ABC villain shoves remaining stack half-pot.
For a pure strategy, folding all our rock bottom boats would be prudent. After all, did we really improve? Is our hand now elevated higher in our range than it was previously? If we stop and think about it, all we really want from 22 is a blank river. This keeps our hand strength disguised. One of my favorite pros, Phil Laak, correctly snap folded once such a rivered bottom boat vs Johnny Chan. I don’t think Laak folds many boats, but he was clearly behind the range of Chan when Johnny shoved over the top with what was clearly a bigger full house.
Next, If we hold 44, then we need villain to hold exactly 22 or a weirdly played straight. So, as a mixed strategy, we can even consider folding a portion of our 44 combos. Maybe we fold 25% and call 75%. Maybe 50/50.
Calling can always be done by dispersing your combos with mixed strategy, any which way you see fit, so long as your overall defense is MDF, and you never call with a combo that can not beat a bluff.
Now, here is the hard part. If we ever fold our straight or bottom boat, and get shown a bluff will we TILT?
We should be satisfied with our decision, with the info we had available, and simply make a note that this villain was not as ABC as we thought.