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Originally Posted by mrno1324
tldr Should we bother 3betting hands like J4s, Q8o, K6o, A3o at any frequency?
That would take a line of 3-betting with the bottom about playable hands and that is probably fine as it is generally okay anywhere as it adjusts to the opponent's range and it makes no difference what one does with them.
3-betting KT-J vs. LJ open in BB, and on button vs. cutoff open are such ideas and are not popular but still old school possible (or never heard of BB 3-betting those here and they are not dominating the possible KJs etc. calls, and SB vs. BB thinks similarly).
The new school would generally 3-bet with a mix of playable hands, not the bottom lines specifically and some/many prettier suited hands with a blocker or not The bottom line hands as suited would be more like the hands the new school likes to 3-bet generally with rather than cold call or fold with them but that school is rather "linear" so no specific line is necessarily taken even if they mix in some "bluff" hands also thinking they are polarized.
In a fishy or rocky game, the 3-bets are possibly best to be around AK/JJ type with some weak 3-bets mixed in, like some/many Axs-hands (and medium suited hands possibly when it looks like better than the options). This would make the usual tighter BB vs. SB 3-bet hands fit automatically, and then mix it with some weaker hands and as so; it would be "vs. anyone 3-bet strategy."
The Kx looks like a reasonable hand to consider a 3-bet with because of the sort of blocker value and hard to hit a hand and not generally a good floater. Some of the times one feels it is the best play to make, like opening with a raise in SB if often the right move to make with any Kx, that might not even be exploitive, and you don't need to hit a hand with it and it usually has 3 outs rather than zero.
The BB might be best to opt to just call with mediocre hands like KJ-JT, and most medium pocket pairs, that as far as I see can often float also. Suited connectors can safely call compared to cold calling them on the button but by general ideas, one uses a range of suited connectors to 3-bet with.
I don't necessarily see anything wrong with thinking the BB vs. SB more like a heads up game and 3-bet highly aggressively with JT+ and think about the math of that, making it like like some weaker doubling of the bet in blackjack. It can also be fun. As so, a GTO strategy might limp often to avoid facing that, making it somewhat like a heads up game.
Limping when one expects to get raised isn't the best exploitive strategy. The lower limit games might use an open raise or fold strategy because of the rake and often because the BB is too tight and too passive.
The SB's range matters. 3-betting vs. a 10% open raise range, well, pretty tight; will he ever fold to your 3-bets?
Some suggestion is to raise with junk or strong hands vs. a trapping limper but it isn't the general strategy vs. an open raise, and anyway, you shouldn't generally 3-bet 72 and fold T6.