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Should I bet my whole range here? Should I bet my whole range here?

07-17-2018 , 09:11 PM
I want to understand more about when should I range bet or when to have a checking range in a 3b pot.
In the sample hand below, I have the range advantage, so should I range bet otf?

UTG: 100 BB
Hero (MP): 123.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has X X

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 3 8 8
UTG checks, Hero

Let's say we change the position to BU vs SB, is my cbetting strategy going to change because I'm OOP?
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07-20-2018 , 03:28 PM
You may not have as much range advantage on this flop as you think you do. You have more 89s and 78s but all the other 8x is in his range also. This paired board with a flush draw is usually checked or bet smallish. Position does matter, you have to fire more bets from oop or you get pwned.

-Rob
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07-22-2018 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
You may not have as much range advantage on this flop as you think you do. You have more 89s and 78s but all the other 8x is in his range also. This paired board with a flush draw is usually checked or bet smallish. Position does matter, you have to fire more bets from oop or you get pwned.

-Rob
It was my understanding that when OOP depending on the board ofcourse, but usually betting frequencies are smaller than when IP. Am I wrong on this?
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07-22-2018 , 08:15 AM
I bet more IP than OOP. Being OOP sucks so much.

Betting too much OOP will get you in bloated pots with weaker holdings. You'll get floated and bluffed.

In this particular spot, I wouldn't see it as much of a mistake to c-bet IP a very high percentage of the time here. OOP though, you can't do it as much. IP you have the option of checking back the river to close the action. OOP, if you do that, you risk getting pushed off your weak hands.


Other than the flush draw this board is a fairly blank board for both players most of the time. In spots like this it is a battle of pairs. The 3-bettor has AA and KK while the caller does not.
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07-22-2018 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JDRSr
Let's say we change the position to BU vs SB, is my cbetting strategy going to change because I'm OOP?
Yeah, that's what is interesting about programs like PIO solver, you can ask questions like this and run different simulations. I find myself getting lost in certain ranges just because the answers are really interesting. There's so much data/information.

You're strategy changes when you're OOP for many different reasons, but the main one is the fact that being IP you have more information available than your opponent on each street.

You are also more likely to "cap" you're range being OOP. Obviously, there are many nuance situations that can occur and I'm just trying to speak generally.

When OOP you need to be checking more, however, now it gives you a chance to start running x/r's. I have found in practice people bet wayyyy to often versus missed cbets. I assume they use the logic of "you checked so you must be weak". It's real fun to exploit these players, but it is def a high variance game.

As far as betting 100% of the time in any situation (i.e. should I bet my whole range here?), theoretically, that would never happen. sometimes maybe 80% or 90%, but you still need to mix it up.
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