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Old 06-19-2017, 11:10 AM   #1
Egoism
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Quantum Pineapple: New variant

Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time posting.

I have play-tested a new variant that I call Quantum Pineapple.

The premise is:
3 cards before the flop (like regular pineapple)

On the flop, you MUST get rid of 1 card (like crazy pineapple).
However, you have two options:
1) Discard face down
2) Replace one of the flop cards

After the discard/replacement on flop, betting proceeds as normal.

From my experiments, this game is better suited to pot limit as there
is a lot of action.
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EXAMPLE:

6 max 0.05/0.10
UTG folds
HJ raises to 0.25 [7s8d9d]
CO folds
BTN calls 0.25 [9c9dTh]
SB folds
BB folds

Flop:
TcJcQc

HJ replaces Qc with 7s
BTN replaces Jc with 9d

New flop:
7s9dTc

HJ bets 0.32
BTN raises to 0.90

(and regular hold-em from there...)

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I have played this in micro stakes
live cash games and it is a lot of fun

Please give it a try and feel free to leave feedback.


Cheers
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Old 06-19-2017, 01:39 PM   #2
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

I really love the idea, I used to play a lot of pineapple in home games.

My main concern is that position could have too much influence on the game. The first to burn on the flop is going to clearly define their range whatever they do, and the last to act might have inordinate influence over the strength of the other players' hands.

I'm wildly speculating without playing the game or doing any kind of maths whatsoever but it might run the risk of having too few hands that are playable in most positions.
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Old 06-19-2017, 04:32 PM   #3
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

This is amazing.
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:30 PM   #4
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

wow.
I use to play many many variations with my girl and this is for sure something really juicy.
As you said pot limit will be the best match as action is going to be huge!
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:17 PM   #5
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

If you get rid of the discard-face-down option, being dealt AKK rainbow could prove tragic. I guess you are discarding one of the Kings? I would imagine this version of your variant would be a lot of fun to play. It would more often happen in a session that the card you replace with could prove to be humorously suicidal. What was your rationale for the discard-face-down option?
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:56 PM   #6
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

It could be very fun if the betting round on flop happens and then you change discard cards Quantum Pineapple: New variant

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Old 06-20-2017, 08:01 AM   #7
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

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I really love the idea, I used to play a lot of pineapple in home games.

My main concern is that position could have too much influence on the game. The first to burn on the flop is going to clearly define their range whatever they do, and the last to act might have inordinate influence over the strength of the other players' hands.

I'm wildly speculating without playing the game or doing any kind of maths whatsoever but it might run the risk of having too few hands that are playable in most positions.
Position is a bit too strong, I've definitely observed this

Maybe eliminating preflop and adding a betting round pre replacement
would fix this issue? I'll keep brainstorming and try some ideas at my home game.

Currently, there are some deceptive actions that early position players can take:
- deliberately making bad replacements for hand/range to induce late position to change the board again to something more favorable
- discarding to represent a range that connects with the board to induce late position players to change the board
- sometimes making the straightforward replacement

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wow.
I use to play many many variations with my girl and this is for sure something really juicy.
As you said pot limit will be the best match as action is going to be huge!
Thanks

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If you get rid of the discard-face-down option, being dealt AKK rainbow could prove tragic. I guess you are discarding one of the Kings? I would imagine this version of your variant would be a lot of fun to play. It would more often happen in a session that the card you replace with could prove to be humorously suicidal. What was your rationale for the discard-face-down option?
At the time when I came up with the game, there wasn't a rationale for the discard option :P
I wanted to come up with a game where players could manipulate flop and
ended up extending pineapple; thus the discard option was left in.

In practice, the discard makes a lot of deception possible, and also allows
players to keep favorable flops instead of changing them. Additionally there
are some scenarios where a replacement would cause the board to become really dangerous (like holding KdKs9s on a board of 7s8dTs).

I'll have to try with replacement only, definitely more tragic spots

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It could be very fun if the betting round on flop happens and then you change discard cards Quantum Pineapple: New variant

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Hmm... this could work if there was an extra betting round... like bet then replace then bet again... maybe eliminate preflop to keep number of betting rounds the same as hold'em?




Many things to try... button is super OP
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Old 06-20-2017, 11:31 AM   #8
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Re: Quantum Pineapple: New variant

I like this poker variant. I will try it someday for sure. I like how you thought out of the box, while making this cool poker variant.
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