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Position impact with 3bet or fold strat Position impact with 3bet or fold strat

05-14-2019 , 05:02 PM
I am trying to apply 3bet or fold preflop strategy as a default, unless there's fish behind or other incentives, to simplify and because of the high rake.

I'm wondering how big impact the position has, when we're playing 5max. I've came up with this range for BU 3-bet range vs MP (gladly hear you inputs on it). Mostly linear but adding few bluffs


Not sure how to adjust it when we're in CU or SB really. We can obv flat wider when not using this strategy from later positions, but since 4-bet are much less likely (and population probably under 4-betting), is it fine to use the same range for CU/BU/SB, with possibly removing 76/A5/A4 from the SB?
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05-14-2019 , 06:02 PM
In practice, once I'm at the HJ my 3-bet/fold range varies more based on my read of the villain's open range than my position unless the people to act behind me are very lag.
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05-20-2019 , 05:22 PM
For BTN, you can add more/all of the Axs, and 65s plays just as well as 76s too. In the SB, you can fold some of the lower ranked cards though, as they don't play so well OOP. (i.e. You can't check-call with 6-high easily, but you can check back that same hand when in position).
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05-20-2019 , 09:33 PM
It'd be stronger to have 87s, 76s, 65s, and 54s all at 25% frequency than just 76s.
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05-20-2019 , 11:47 PM
Btn should have a flatting range vs standard open sizes. Suited broadways mixed and medium pairs

Sb you should be doing basically omly 3 betting against Ben, but as the player gets further towards utg you can start flatting more

EP vs EP should have a very narrow if any flatting range
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05-21-2019 , 02:56 AM
For IP the hands strong enough to 3bet 100% are obvious. The hands on the margins you don't want to play pure strategies, instead you want to spread out those combos over a lot of different hands. This will give you better board coverage that will add more ev to your overall strategy than just playing a margin hand 100%.

For example, given the range you posted of 8.6% a better way to distribute the combos would be something like this. The exact mixing frequencies don't matter too much as long as you keep your overall frequency in check.



For OOP you generally want to 3bet a tighter range, mainly giving up on the weakest offsuit combos.
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05-21-2019 , 09:17 AM
I'm curious, what is the rationale behind this strategy? Yes it simplifies, and taking pots down before rake is always good, but what does this do for your EV? I'm certainly no expert, but I would assume there are some slam dunk flat call spots you're missing out on, etc.
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05-21-2019 , 11:19 AM
Thanks for the inputs guys, got some inspiration on how to construct a decent range!


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Originally Posted by jpo070
I'm curious, what is the rationale behind this strategy? Yes it simplifies, and taking pots down before rake is always good, but what does this do for your EV? I'm certainly no expert, but I would assume there are some slam dunk flat call spots you're missing out on, etc.

I believe it will yield more EV in practice for me, as the simplification will significantly reduce the game tree and wont need to study as many spots. I can focus on more important spots, since 3 bet or fold doesn't lose that much EV in GTO anyways. AFAIK MonkerSolver barey flats from CU/MP/SB, can't guarantee that tho
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