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Old 07-16-2020, 10:03 PM   #2226
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Fold TT on the button to a single raise...

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Old 07-16-2020, 10:06 PM   #2227
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Fold AK in the CO to a single raise...


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Old 07-18-2020, 04:27 AM   #2228
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Regarding the above two spots, Snowie gets "tricked" by the initial limps, and is 'worried' about limp-reraises in multiway pots. It kind of treats the limp like it was an open, and the iso-raise like it's a 3-bet, and the cold-call like it's a cold-call of a 3-bet, so it doesn't want to get involved in what appears to be a massive multiway pot unless it has a legit monster itself. It also treats flat calls as pretty strong, especially if the open came from EP and the flat is in EP/MP and there are still several players to act.
If your hand-histories contain a lot of open limps or multiway pots, because you're playing in soft games (or at least with one confirmed fish), Snowie's advice won't make much sense. Remember that it kind of assumes that each opponent is playing rationally. In real life, most players that open-limp aren't playing rationally, and other players will iso-raise with wider ranges than Snowie would, so this means its advice isn't the "best" in an exploitative sense. i.e. It doesn't teach you how to crush fish. It will recommend folding in some spots, because it expects the players to be better than they actually are.
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Old 07-20-2020, 09:52 PM   #2229
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Re: Pokersnowie question

I can somewhat understand that Snowie would assume the open limping range to be strong because if it's balanced, it will have a lot of super strong hands in it and a very small amount of weak hands.

I have a hard time believing, however, that TT would be a fold, even against a balanced open limping range and a raise, especially in position.

Also there was no limp in the second one. What ranges does Snowie give a MP raiser and a HJ caller that make AK on the button a fold? I can't imagine there is any mathematical justification for this.

And lastly, if you're alleging these are soft games, this is 200NL on Ignition. It's a very tough game. If Snowie's advice is no good because that game is too soft, for what games is it good?

Yes, people open limping are probably fish and aren't doing it with as strong ranges as Snowie would. But TT on the button is a very strong hand. If Snowie is concluding it should be a fold, there is something that needs to be fixed.

Both of these plays suggested by Snowie are money losers.
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Old 07-22-2020, 07:51 PM   #2230
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Would like some feedback please. I am playing .02/.05 NL 6max Zone on Ignition. I have been using Snowie for about 6 months training and reviewing hands. I have been on a downswing, losing $72 this month - that's 14 buyins.

In my session yesterday I played 319 hands in just over an hour and lost $8.69. At the end of the session I thought that I played well - when I loaded the hand history into PT4 today to review the hands with V hole cards, V has it when I fold, etc. so I think I am playing properly and not being bluffed, etc.

Loading into Snowie just now it shows an error rate of 6.47 = World Class. I made one blunder costing $0.17 in EV. Most of my errors are pre-flop as I do play tighter in LJ/HJ half of the time as 3 betting from IP players is common and I prefer to open fewer hands that I will fold to an IP 3 bettor (e.g. half of the time I will fold ATo from LJ).

So I am trying to connect these losses with "playing well" according to Snowie. Maybe since my opponents arent balanced I should be floating flop and calling turn less with medium holdings. Kind of at wits end here trying to figure out how to improve my play - or do I just wait for the downswing to end? I was up $89 this year on .02/.05 NL Zone and have lost almost all of it this month. Is this just a bad run or should I change something major?

I will say $6.06 of that loss was raising AA in CO to 3BB, BB 3bets to 12 BB, I 4 bet to 36BB, he jams and I call. He shows JJ and flops quads ... this is what my month has been like.

edit: I cant figure out how to attach the screen shot of Snowie's assessment

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Old 07-23-2020, 09:05 AM   #2231
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I'm brand new to Snowie, so I'm sure I'm doing something wrong or misinterpreting something, but could someone explain to me why Snowie says I should call here with 6 high and no draw?



U need to go back to flop action which is check/check.Because Snowie will bet almost every monotone flop in any spot after aggression on previous street. Because it choose action that is the most +EV with his entire range.Humans ,no matter LLove or other top dogs,usually can't escape of the holding they have and think like they r holding entire range.
U can check explanation by the creators about Snowie's brain.It takes action with it's entire range, it doesn't bother what his opponent is holding like exact combo but what might he can hold.In this scenario, after a check, he probably have nuts or air.So sometimes Snowie calls with -EV combos(in our mind that is,because it calls with its entire range) and maybe will use that combo as a bluff opportunity after shown weakness (especially if that combo doesn't blocks opponents bluffing range on previous streets).
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Old 07-23-2020, 09:07 AM   #2232
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Fold TT on the button to a single raise...



It had learned that pairs perform the best in HU spots.
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Old 07-23-2020, 09:18 AM   #2233
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Regarding the above two spots, Snowie gets "tricked" by the initial limps, and is 'worried' about limp-reraises in multiway pots. It kind of treats the limp like it was an open, and the iso-raise like it's a 3-bet, and the cold-call like it's a cold-call of a 3-bet, so it doesn't want to get involved in what appears to be a massive multiway pot unless it has a legit monster itself. It also treats flat calls as pretty strong, especially if the open came from EP and the flat is in EP/MP and there are still several players to act.
If your hand-histories contain a lot of open limps or multiway pots, because you're playing in soft games (or at least with one confirmed fish), Snowie's advice won't make much sense. Remember that it kind of assumes that each opponent is playing rationally. In real life, most players that open-limp aren't playing rationally, and other players will iso-raise with wider ranges than Snowie would, so this means its advice isn't the "best" in an exploitative sense. i.e. It doesn't teach you how to crush fish. It will recommend folding in some spots, because it expects the players to be better than they actually are.
This is completely true and probably GTO not exploitative play in terms how players think about Game theory optimal.But if u check how will Snowie act from BB in a situation when someone opened and 2 more players cold called u will see very wide squeeze range.Almost all pairs and conectors and 1 gappers down to 43s and 53s.
Button spot doesn't act last preflop.I guess that is the key logic for what is Snowie doing.
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Old 07-23-2020, 08:17 PM   #2234
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Re: Pokersnowie question

hey,guys. I just thought of a interesting question.

PokerSnowie is a AI poker tool, and it plays against itself to improve. how come it doesn't become a pure GTO tool? I mean wont it keep choosing the highest EV option and end up being pure GTO? especially it is against itself, who also choose the highest EV option all the time, which is impossible to exploit(deviation from GTO strategy)
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Old 08-08-2020, 10:51 AM   #2235
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Can you export hands after a training session with Pokersnowie and import them in PT4 for analysis?
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Old 08-13-2020, 12:20 PM   #2236
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hey,guys. I just thought of a interesting question.

PokerSnowie is a AI poker tool, and it plays against itself to improve. how come it doesn't become a pure GTO tool? I mean wont it keep choosing the highest EV option and end up being pure GTO? especially it is against itself, who also choose the highest EV option all the time, which is impossible to exploit(deviation from GTO strategy)
Im sure there are more qualified ppl here, but if I had to guess it has to do with the low freq spots snowie wont get it 100% right even after 1.000.000.000 hands. Exactly due to the strategy being built just by playing against itself.
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Old 08-19-2020, 08:26 AM   #2237
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Snowie really loves suited aces and really hates low pocket pairs and suited connectors (with the exception of 65s, bizarrely). Anyone else notice this?
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Old 09-01-2020, 01:22 PM   #2238
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Snowie really loves suited aces and really hates low pocket pairs and suited connectors (with the exception of 65s, bizarrely). Anyone else notice this?
Suited Aces block everything...
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Old 09-07-2020, 04:54 PM   #2239
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Can someone let me know if the Range Advice feature allows for the ranges to be copied in text format to display them somewhere else (like PIO range browser) in matrix form?

If anyone from Snowie checks this thread... you guys should really make it a priority to introduce the hand matrix for postflop ranges finally. This is a crippling drawback of Snowie and it can't be that hard to fix it.
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Old 09-07-2020, 06:02 PM   #2240
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Can someone let me know if the Range Advice feature allows for the ranges to be copied in text format to display them somewhere else (like PIO range browser) in matrix form?

If anyone from Snowie checks this thread... you guys should really make it a priority to introduce the hand matrix for postflop ranges finally. This is a crippling drawback of Snowie and it can't be that hard to fix it.
+1 for this. Awaiting a long time...

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Old 09-24-2020, 02:37 PM   #2241
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Fold AK in the CO to a single raise...

Out of curiousity, I tried this scenario out in the latest version and iintially it showed the same -ev as you had but after clicking on the other bet sizes , the Ev for the .90 pot raise changes to 0 and other raise sizes are also ev=0. I noticed this tech glitch error before where sometimes clicking on some other bet sizes makes Pokersnowie reset its estimated EV of the bet sizes. So Pokersnowie eventually says the AKo raise here is fine but call is -EV.

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Old 09-24-2020, 07:06 PM   #2242
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Regarding the above two spots, Snowie gets "tricked" by the initial limps, and is 'worried' about limp-reraises in multiway pots. It kind of treats the limp like it was an open, and the iso-raise like it's a 3-bet, and the cold-call like it's a cold-call of a 3-bet, so it doesn't want to get involved in what appears to be a massive multiway pot unless it has a legit monster itself. It also treats flat calls as pretty strong, especially if the open came from EP and the flat is in EP/MP and there are still several players to act.
If your hand-histories contain a lot of open limps or multiway pots, because you're playing in soft games (or at least with one confirmed fish), Snowie's advice won't make much sense. Remember that it kind of assumes that each opponent is playing rationally. In real life, most players that open-limp aren't playing rationally, and other players will iso-raise with wider ranges than Snowie would, so this means its advice isn't the "best" in an exploitative sense. i.e. It doesn't teach you how to crush fish. It will recommend folding in some spots, because it expects the players to be better than they actually are.



Advice for when thinking about playing a pot where one person has limped and another player has raised the limp and the action is on us?

Example:

Facing a Limp and a raise:

100 bb stacks. Casino game with 5-10 blinds.

Cut off limps. Button raises 4x.

What should the small blind be thinking and doing?
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Old 09-24-2020, 07:09 PM   #2243
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Is Snowie getting stronger?

Or has it'a strength peeked?

And why?
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Old 10-01-2020, 06:09 PM   #2244
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I just discovered this program. Is there a thread where I can ask general noob questions? I must be missing something, because finding certain hands seems difficult.

For instance, let's say I have three blunders I want to look at. How do I filter out those three particular hands that have the blunders? Certainly there is a way to do this, right? Also, I have read the first few pages of this thread. Has this program gotten better in the past 7 years?
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Old 10-06-2020, 04:58 AM   #2245
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Snowie really loves suited aces and really hates low pocket pairs and suited connectors (with the exception of 65s, bizarrely). Anyone else notice this?
Ive noticed the 65 thing myself
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:50 AM   #2246
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Anybody else experience connection issues after update?
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Old 10-14-2020, 03:11 PM   #2247
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Anybody else experience connection issues after update?
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yeah its down for me too
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Old 10-18-2020, 11:10 AM   #2248
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Snowie really loves suited aces and really hates low pocket pairs and suited connectors (with the exception of 65s, bizarrely). Anyone else notice this?
Suited aces flop strong draws, have great removal, and have good equity even against very strong hands (e.g. JJ-KK).

Snowie likes 76s and 65s a lot. Probably because they are easy to play, and reverse implied odds are a lot lower than with higher suited connectors like T9s / 98s. You have more fold equity, better board coverage, and won't get stacked by broadway holdings that likely dominate your opponents range.
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