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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
I´m still using snowie a lot, and love to practice with the training function before playing for real, usually at the lowest limit (20NL).
I know we were told the preflop ranges were built considering the rake structure of the stake, but after that, does snowie adjust its play postflop? (like a solver will depending on the rake inputs we make?).
I remember, from watching a few vids and also from real, seemingly good opponents, that we´re not really cold calling from MP and CO for example, which really makes sense considering rake for example. Aggressive squeezers imho obv impact this a lot. And I´m sure I heard Peter Clarke mentioning this when he was working with monker. Since snowie still calls from those positions, is the 3b/fold strategy mostly exploitative, or is snowie actually wrong/outdated?
Thank you, any input will be hugely appreciated.
It seems to me that it's more about simplification and saving time and money than a strategy built around exploitation.
I'm far from an expert on the subject, but my understanding is that adding additional actions like more bet sizes and cold calling in the early positions and the SB into preflop solvers increases the size of the game tree. Increasing the size of the game tree requires more RAM to solve it, like hundreds or even over a thousand GBs of RAM to solve really big preflop game trees. Renting servers with that much RAM isn't cheap. Bigger game trees also take longer to converge to the desired accuracy. Using less bet sizes and removing less frequent actions to make the game tree much smaller requires less GBs of RAM, results in faster solves and doesn't affect the total achievable EV too significantly.
Without knowing how your opponents deviate and how to exploit them, the highest achievable EV would be attained from allowing the solver to use all possible actions and bet sizes. Even if this was possible with access to infinite RAM and time, it would be impossible for any human to come anywhere close to implementing the exact output of that solution at the tables. For this reason, many people making solutions attempt to simplify things and save time and money by using less bet sizes and eliminating less frequent actions while trying to maintain as much of the total achievable EV as possible. Because of that, you will come across several preflop solves that don't have cold calling from the early positions and the SB and possibly other less common scenarios removed from their game tree.
We have been told by the developers that Snowie trained against exploitative agents. I can only assume that excessive squeezing would have been one of the areas it trained its entire strategy for and found that the hands that it chooses to cold call with were still more +EV for its entire strategy to cold call with than to develop a strategy where it only 3bet or folded from those positions.
As mike1270 pointed out in the post above, given the option to cold call in the early positions and the SB, even preflop solvers will still provide a cold calling range in many spots. Altering your strategy from the suggested cold calling ranges to a 3bet or fold strategy because of excessive squeezing might not even be the most EV way to exploit excessive squeezing from your opponents. It certainly doesn't appear to be the most +EV way to play your entire range if both Snowie and the preflop solvers suggest having a cold calling range when given the option to do so.
Last edited by MCAChiTown; 07-10-2020 at 05:49 AM.