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04-15-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Are you saying you used a bot to play for real money and that bot was built using Snowie's strategy?
Yeah,basically he was cheating.
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04-19-2020 , 02:59 AM
For preflopp advise lets say sb vs bb snowie lets input raise sizes. Might be stupid question but what is 1/2 pot raise size sb vs bb.
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04-19-2020 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearLove
Anyone can share a discount for snowie?
Hi, did you find a working discount code for snowie? Can't find an official one anywhere and snowies twitter has been quiet for a while.
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04-19-2020 , 02:56 PM
Snowie having problems for anybody else? I can import hands and it will evaluate those but I can't do a scenario, can't do an evaluation, can't bring up preflop advice, etc.
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04-20-2020 , 08:00 AM
There’s a flaw in poker snowies ranges.

Example: input facing 3b from BB as HJ raiser and you see it has hands like 22 as flat calls.
However, when you put RFI ranges from HJ it doesn’t raise 22.

So how can 22 be include in calling 3b if it’s not in raising range in first place?!
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04-20-2020 , 02:57 PM
It "learned" that if you make the mistake of opening in the first place, it's profitable to continue vs the 3-bet.
It's the same principle that means it recommends folding pre-flop with 72o, but it knows not to fold on the flop if the board comes 772.
i.e. It had to try out all branches of the game tree to learn which ones were +EV or -EV, and will make decisions based on the exact part of the tree where you need to take an action, but if you happen to pick the wrong choice, it can still give advice on a subsequent decision.
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04-20-2020 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
It "learned" that if you make the mistake of opening in the first place, it's profitable to continue vs the 3-bet.
It's the same principle that means it recommends folding pre-flop with 72o, but it knows not to fold on the flop if the board comes 772.
i.e. It had to try out all branches of the game tree to learn which ones were +EV or -EV, and will make decisions based on the exact part of the tree where you need to take an action, but if you happen to pick the wrong choice, it can still give advice on a subsequent decision.
Thanks a lot!
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04-27-2020 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatAreWeLivingFor
There’s a flaw in poker snowies ranges.

Example: input facing 3b from BB as HJ raiser and you see it has hands like 22 as flat calls.
However, when you put RFI ranges from HJ it doesn’t raise 22.

So how can 22 be include in calling 3b if it’s not in raising range in first place?!
Probably u r talking about free preflop advisor.It has a lot of mistakes there compared to paid version. But yeah,what Arty said stands.In paid version it has an option to choose how Snowie would play combos that r not in it's range,basically a whole deck.
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04-29-2020 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearLove
Anyone can share a discount for snowie?
They have a good Black Friday sale every year.
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04-30-2020 , 03:46 PM
With the newest update PokerSnowie now allows importing hands from Tournaments and Sit&Goes.
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05-01-2020 , 03:37 PM
Do you guys think its worth getting snowie to study NL25/NL50 ?
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05-01-2020 , 04:08 PM
It can be a good workflow tool. You load up your sessions in Snowie, see where it thinks you blundered and then run those hands through a solver to get a more accurate answer. Usually if Snowie says you made a big mistake the solver will agree with it. Without having someone/something pointing out potential mistakes, chances are you're not going to realize them yourself. Other than that it's still one of the best tools available for multiway pots.

For actual advice on how to play a particular HU hand or what hand selection to use preflop you should stick to solver outputs though.
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05-01-2020 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
It can be a good workflow tool. You load up your sessions in Snowie, see where it thinks you blundered and then run those hands through a solver to get a more accurate answer. Usually if Snowie says you made a big mistake the solver will agree with it. Without having someone/something pointing out potential mistakes, chances are you're not going to realize them yourself. Other than that it's still one of the best tools available for multiway pots.

For actual advice on how to play a particular HU hand or what hand selection to use preflop you should stick to solver outputs though.
i actually do the opposite
I use it for preflop and stick to it relegiously

I dont trust its postflop suggestions because the ranges it assumes are far from realistic
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05-03-2020 , 08:19 PM
Snowie recommends a 1/2 pot raise at most stack sizes and postions when there are antes and there is no rake is involved. This is so contrary to most MTT strategies that it is either a goldmine of unreciprocated EV or it is just plain wrong? What do you guys think?
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05-05-2020 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by HWGWF
Snowie recommends a 1/2 pot raise at most stack sizes and postions when there are antes and there is no rake is involved. This is so contrary to most MTT strategies that it is either a goldmine of unreciprocated EV or it is just plain wrong? What do you guys think?
It plays it's ranges and uses 1 bet size for it's range that thinks it is optimal for a particular spot.
MTT strategies that r used r just simplifications of someone thought(imput into solver) process.

Last edited by disident; 05-05-2020 at 08:00 PM.
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05-05-2020 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by matthmit
Do you guys think its worth getting snowie to study NL25/NL50 ?
Educa-poker in his course for Upswing said that up to NL500 Snowbot is legit.

Last edited by disident; 05-05-2020 at 08:01 PM.
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05-10-2020 , 11:38 PM
Snowie fold KK preflop
hero AK open 0.15, fa...ey KK 3b to 0.45, hero AK 4b to 1.85 and Snowie said this move is wrong, must fold?!
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05-11-2020 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chicken_joe
Snowie fold KK preflop

hero AK open 0.15, fa...ey KK 3b to 0.45, hero AK 4b to 1.85 and Snowie said this move is wrong, must fold?!

Positions r important. Probably it is LowJack vs HighJack.When Low Jack faces 3 bet from HighJack ,Snowie continuation range should bet 2xpot.In that case AKo combos r too much as bluffs.
I can't see the picture by the way.
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05-11-2020 , 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by disident
Positions r important. Probably it is LowJack vs HighJack.When Low Jack faces 3 bet from HighJack ,Snowie continuation range should bet 2xpot.In that case AKo combos r too much as bluffs.
I can't see the picture by the way.
I don't know why you can't see the image, so i post the hand:

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 9 players

hero (UTG): $5.89 (118 bb)
(UTG+1): $12.66 (253 bb)
(MP): $9.84 (197 bb)
(MP+1): $6.06 (121 bb)
(LP): $2.64 (53 bb)
(CO): $5.64 (113 bb)
V (BU): $4.98 (100 bb)
(SB): $9.65 (193 bb)
(BB): $5.22 (104 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with K A
hero (UTG) raises to $0.15, 5 players fold, V (BU) 3-bets to $0.45, (SB) calls $0.43, 1 fold, hero (UTG) 4-bets to $1.85, V (BU) 5-bets to $4.98 (all-in), 1 fold, (UTG) calls $3.13

Flop: ($10.46) J 7 J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($10.46) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($10.46) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $10.46 (Rake: $0.43)

Showdown:
V (BU) shows K K (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 66%, Flop: 86%, Turn: 2%, River: 0%)

(UTG) shows K A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 34%, Flop: 14%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

(UTG) wins $10.03

=> Snowie said that KK all in was wrong. 100% fold


Last edited by chicken_joe; 05-11-2020 at 03:50 AM.
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05-11-2020 , 05:34 AM
First of all it's 9max UTG 4bet pot and it's 5NL rake. The ranges in this case are ridiculously tight even in just a HU pot, but here you have a multiway pot. The SB cold calling a 3bet vs UTG in 9max. In optimal play that range would be incredibly nutted. Like almost always AA nutted. Then you have UTG coming over the top of all that with a 4bet.

Now I really doubt anyone has ever solved 9max preflop with 5NL rake but I would not be surprised if KK is -EV in this spot considering the action. Obviously this is only true if we're talking about optimal opponents. In reality the guy in the SB is probably a weak player who is cold calling a far too weak range and KK is very +EV. Snowie can't adjust for that, you need to figure out yourself when you should play wider than Snowie says because you're dealing with a weak player who is just clicking buttons.

In general when you're dealing with weak players you need to play much looser and value bet much thinner than what Snowie says.
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05-11-2020 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
First of all it's 9max UTG 4bet pot and it's 5NL rake. The ranges in this case are ridiculously tight even in just a HU pot, but here you have a multiway pot. The SB cold calling a 3bet vs UTG in 9max. In optimal play that range would be incredibly nutted. Like almost always AA nutted. Then you have UTG coming over the top of all that with a 4bet.

Now I really doubt anyone has ever solved 9max preflop with 5NL rake but I would not be surprised if KK is -EV in this spot considering the action. Obviously this is only true if we're talking about optimal opponents. In reality the guy in the SB is probably a weak player who is cold calling a far too weak range and KK is very +EV. Snowie can't adjust for that, you need to figure out yourself when you should play wider than Snowie says because you're dealing with a weak player who is just clicking buttons.

In general when you're dealing with weak players you need to play much looser and value bet much thinner than what Snowie says.
Yeah...he didn't mention that SB called and that is 9max table and that is real hand analysis with Snowie of an actual play against human players. Snowie's analysis is against himself so it says-0.29 EV lost(not a big mistake).To be completely sure why is Snowie doing that u need to see what r the ranges that go with every action that is done.
Snowie thinks KK can't beat UTG's 4 betting range and SB's continuation range combined (SB is also yet to act.)
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05-11-2020 , 09:04 AM
I'd guess that Snowie's UTG 4-bet range there is AA and AKs (maybe not even 100% of AKs), and KK doesn't do great against that range even without considering that SB cold-called the 3-bet (something Snowie probably never does) and could back-raise all in.

In real life at 5NL, you can obviously stack off (or at least flat the 4-bet) with KK on the button in that spot, as SB is unlikely to be slowplaying aces, and UTG will be 4-betting a bit wider than AA/AKs. It wouldn't be massively profitable though. UTG's 4-bet multiway is gonna be a top 3% hand almost always I would think, and you're just getting some 'padding' from the SB's dead money.
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05-11-2020 , 11:59 PM
Thank for answering. I understand it now
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05-12-2020 , 12:18 AM
Are there plans for a PLO Snowie?
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05-12-2020 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Are there plans for a PLO Snowie?
Well their support is working well,u should try asking them.I was wondering also for quite some time. RunItOnce launched gto product Vision for training but it is solver algorithm, it is not AI.
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