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03-21-2020 , 12:36 AM
Since it's a squeezed pot, and it's still multiway, it expects the BTN to have a very strong range for c-betting (KTo should not be part of his range, he'll more commonly have hands that crush you like JJ+), and you can't close the action because CO is still to act, and he could raise.
This hand is presumably quite low in your range, so you'd only continue with the better hands that do alright vs both of the other players. If you have the full pro subscription, you can use the analysis tools to find out exactly how tight you should play (in theory, according to Snowie-style play) vs this c-bet. Generally speaking, Snowie is very nitty in multiway pots, especially when you're OOP to the aggressor, and doesn't do much calling with "marginal" hands.

Villain's gonna bink a pair of tens on the river anyway, so you should fold and save some money.
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03-21-2020 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Just like GTO+ (or Pio and I guess other solvers also) show the results: A big square showing all combos, and you just move your cursor and see the actions and frequencies.
still waiting for this grid format...
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03-21-2020 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Since it's a squeezed pot, and it's still multiway, it expects the BTN to have a very strong range for c-betting (KTo should not be part of his range, he'll more commonly have hands that crush you like JJ+), and you can't close the action because CO is still to act, and he could raise.
This hand is presumably quite low in your range, so you'd only continue with the better hands that do alright vs both of the other players. If you have the full pro subscription, you can use the analysis tools to find out exactly how tight you should play (in theory, according to Snowie-style play) vs this c-bet. Generally speaking, Snowie is very nitty in multiway pots, especially when you're OOP to the aggressor, and doesn't do much calling with "marginal" hands.

Villain's gonna bink a pair of tens on the river anyway, so you should fold and save some money.
thanks again, Arty!
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03-21-2020 , 08:23 PM
Does anyone else want an app in which you multi-table (zoom style) yourself? Hand history database access included.

Pm me when available. I have some money to buy it...$3.50.
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03-31-2020 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Since it's a squeezed pot, and it's still multiway, it expects the BTN to have a very strong range for c-betting (KTo should not be part of his range, he'll more commonly have hands that crush you like JJ+), and you can't close the action because CO is still to act, and he could raise.
This hand is presumably quite low in your range, so you'd only continue with the better hands that do alright vs both of the other players. If you have the full pro subscription, you can use the analysis tools to find out exactly how tight you should play (in theory, according to Snowie-style play) vs this c-bet. Generally speaking, Snowie is very nitty in multiway pots, especially when you're OOP to the aggressor, and doesn't do much calling with "marginal" hands.

Villain's gonna bink a pair of tens on the river anyway, so you should fold and save some money.
It's squeezed spot but weird one squeezed...min raised squeezed that Snowie doesn't do.Did calling with 88 preflop was fine by Snowie?Didn't report an error?If bot did,than 88 is not in it's range so it folds usually.Or calling with 88 like 20% pre so folding is not considered too tight because u do not have 6 combos of 88 u only have 1.2 combos.
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03-31-2020 , 03:06 PM
Anyone know what the units are for "error rate"?
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03-31-2020 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Anyone know what the units are for "error rate"?
Big blinds I think.
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03-31-2020 , 08:39 PM
That's not correct. The units used for EV are in big blinds. e.g. In the screengrab a few posts up, the EV of calling is -2.06 BB.

I believe the error rate (e.g. an 2.79 error rating would be "extra terrestial" and 20.54 would be "beginner") is derived using some kind of proprietary calculation, and there is no "unit" as such. It's obviously based on how much theoretical EV you lose over a particular sample size (the best error rating is 0.00), but it's not a direct measure of big blinds or bb/100.
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04-01-2020 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
That's not correct. The units used for EV are in big blinds. e.g. In the screengrab a few posts up, the EV of calling is -2.06 BB.

I believe the error rate (e.g. an 2.79 error rating would be "extra terrestial" and 20.54 would be "beginner") is derived using some kind of proprietary calculation, and there is no "unit" as such. It's obviously based on how much theoretical EV you lose over a particular sample size (the best error rating is 0.00), but it's not a direct measure of big blinds or bb/100.
From the PokerSnowie faq:
The error rate gives a score for how well the session was played. It is independent of the actual outcome and only based on the skill of the player. For every betting round, the error rate sums up the EV cost of all errors, divided by the number of moves played. So the smaller the error rate the better.
Please note that the sample size needs to be big enough to get a significant error rate. Usually 5K to 10K of imported hands is enough to get a stable error rate.
Very strong high stakes players have an error rate of around 7 in ring games and 5 in heads-up games. Less experienced players and beginners often have an error rate of over 20."
So it is EV lost in bb divided by numbers of moves played.
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04-01-2020 , 05:41 AM
Ok but an error rate of 5.0 doesn't mean 5BB per "move". Is it multiplied by something else such as 100?
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04-01-2020 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Ok but an error rate of 5.0 doesn't mean 5BB per "move". Is it multiplied by something else such as 100?
It says:for every betting round,the error rate sums up of all EV cost by an error devided by the moves played.
Imagine pre flop ,as a betting round,U can open raise and make an error,than 4 bet and also make an error.Sum those 2 errors and divide that number by 2.
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04-01-2020 , 09:18 AM
Right but there must be something else. The magnitude of errors is usually a fraction of a big blind. How do you get from there to a number greater than 1?

I just played a session of 9 hands, 18 moves total, of which 9 were preflop and 5 were on the flop.
Preflop 2 errors, of magnitude 0.01 and 0.68
Flop 1 error, magnitude 0.40
Error rate Flop 4.69, flop 3.30, total 7.99.

This was 30 BB deep if that makes a difference to anything.
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04-01-2020 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
Right but there must be something else. The magnitude of errors is usually a fraction of a big blind. How do you get from there to a number greater than 1?

I just played a session of 9 hands, 18 moves total, of which 9 were preflop and 5 were on the flop.
Preflop 2 errors, of magnitude 0.01 and 0.68
Flop 1 error, magnitude 0.40
Error rate Flop 4.69, flop 3.30, total 7.99.

This was 30 BB deep if that makes a difference to anything.
I will try to figure it out later today.
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04-03-2020 , 12:41 AM
Anybody is able to load Pokersnowie( I have Pro membership)? It appears that server is down.
It says:
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04-03-2020 , 12:53 AM
Jus got response:
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Thanks for contacting us and reporting this issue.

We are now aware there is an issue with our infrastructure provider and this is causing our servers to be currently unavailable. Please rest assured that we are working to resolve the issue and we will send an update as soon as possible.

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04-04-2020 , 01:49 PM
Ok, I frequently see unbalanced ranges recommended like player one should bet with the nuts only (no bluffs) and player 2 should call with e.g. 2nd nuts even though he must be beat if there are no bluffs in player 1's range.

Perhaps the problem is I'm doing freezeout short stack play that the system hasn't trained itself on properly.

Those people (Arty?) who are getting a lot of good use out this, what is your approach (e.g. what stack sizes etc. do you train on)? I have about a week left of my trial now.
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04-04-2020 , 04:32 PM
I stopped training with Snowie a couple of years ago. I was never very impressed with its tournament play, particularly with regard to stacks of <20bb. I don't think they ran the artificial neural net long enough to get close to accurate results for the "infinite" number of different stacksize situations.
I stuck mostly with 100bb 6-max, and I think it had pretty decent "solutions" for that format.
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04-04-2020 , 05:49 PM
Thanks. Do you use anything different now, such as a "proper" solver?
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04-05-2020 , 06:55 AM
I don't. I only play on a casual basis these days. If I was still studying, I'd no doubt spend a lot of time with GTO+.
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04-09-2020 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I don't. I only play on a casual basis these days. If I was still studying, I'd no doubt spend a lot of time with GTO+.
Well GTO+ with FlopzillaPro is awesome pair now with Train against Solution option. But first u need preflop solved ranges which r expensive if u buy it.Than u need powerful machine to solve subsets of flops and for every spot .And there r a lor of spots no matter u play cash or mtts. Time wise nothing can beat PokerSnowie I think.
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04-09-2020 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by disident
Well GTO+ with FlopzillaPro is awesome pair now with Train against Solution option. But first u need preflop solved ranges which r expensive if u buy it.Than u need powerful machine to solve subsets of flops and for every spot .And there r a lor of spots no matter u play cash or mtts. Time wise nothing can beat PokerSnowie I think.
Dissident - can you tell me a little more about this option? I have both GTO+ and flopzilla but never used any training option, though I dont believe ive updated GTO+ for a while.

Thanks.
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04-09-2020 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by NoSurprises
Dissident - can you tell me a little more about this option? I have both GTO+ and flopzilla but never used any training option, though I dont believe ive updated GTO+ for a while.



Thanks.
Well do update. Watch the video how to pair both programs GTO+ and FlopzillaPro while using Train against Solution. But first u need to solve a spot or subsets of flops for that.It is same as SimpleGTO Trainer (from Simple Poker which is also free to use until 15th April as a promotion for Corona Virus quarantine days).FlopzillaPro will display your range after every action u take while playing against solution.Watch the newest video on GTO+ site,you will see what's like.
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04-09-2020 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by disident
Well do update. Watch the video how to pair both programs GTO+ and FlopzillaPro while using Train against Solution. But first u need to solve a spot or subsets of flops for that.It is same as SimpleGTO Trainer (from Simple Poker which is also free to use until 15th April as a promotion for Corona Virus quarantine days).FlopzillaPro will display your range after every action u take while playing against solution.Watch the newest video on GTO+ site,you will see what's like.
Thanks for sorting my Easter weekend
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04-11-2020 , 10:12 AM
Anyone can share a discount for snowie?
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04-15-2020 , 09:58 AM
Guys, I have a mac and don't want to get parallels for PIO. The software for Snowie runs really smoothly on my computer. Can anyone give me advice on whether it's worth it for me to buy the pro version?
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