Pokersnowie question - Page 83 - Poker Theory

I was recently playing around with Snowie, and was wondering what might cause the following:

When on the BB (heads up), Snowie raises pot (3x) against limp 48.11% of the time. This is betsize it prefers. However, I decided to go little bigger than that, so I was curious to see how the recommendation will change based on this bigger size.

My guess was that the frequency will go down, but not at all. At 2 pot bet, it will raise 60.29%. Yet when we raise bigger, our opponent gets to fold more hands. I think we are going to get ourselves in deep trouble, if we play like this.

Betting range goes up but checking to a limp goes down when u decide to go 2xpot.That means u r polarising your range even more.Snowie has predefined bet construction position vs. position as long as my experience is right.It thinks it is optimal to raise pot in that situation and any other option (like 0.25,0.5 or 2x)is OK but it will not provide same EV realization for both options (checking to a limp or raising 1pot in that spot).

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08-12-2019 , 07:21 AM

#2052

disident

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 442

I share the same opinion with Educa-poker about Snowie ranges. In his Upswing course he said that,up to NL500 Snowie ranges r OK because they r constructed yo play bigger pots.It makes sense,because they r tighter than solved ranges in many spots.

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08-13-2019 , 05:55 AM

#2053

NVF

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,164

I'll never understand anyone who defends the value or accuracy of Snowie's postflop feedback. It seems ok as a beginner tool for preflop 2- and 3-bet ranges, but decidedly not for 4- and 5-betting ranges unless you also have a fetish for 13x13 grids with one colored square in the top left.

This equivalent scenario happened multiple times. Is Snowie implying it would itself continue with worse than a straight? We already went 6 bets if it wasn't clear.

And I know it's not bad for it to default to recommending raising the nuts, the bigger problem is in the claimed EV differential. Really, over half a big blind?

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08-13-2019 , 06:37 AM

#2054

disident

grinder

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Originally Posted by NVF

Half a blind per hand is small enough?Probably it had a jack also.

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08-13-2019 , 07:18 AM

#2055

NVF

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,164

No, half a blind per hand is way too big. That would imply something along the lines of BTN continuing vs the 7-bet without a straight ~2% of the time if my math is accurate.

Not spoiling results, but it didn't have pocket fives.

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08-13-2019 , 07:24 AM

#2056

disident

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 442

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Originally Posted by NVF

So it went check/check flop,check/check turn and then river wagering war?It make sense if that happened.Snowie is not solver accurate gto play.It is database accurate gto like play(simplified gto play sort of).

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08-14-2019 , 02:02 AM

#2057

Jerman

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Originally Posted by NVF

I don't play 6max almost at all, so I don't know how good Snowie's advice is from that point of view. However, I do play heads up -format, and I think it is an excellent in that format, even though I might not play limped pots same way as it does.

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08-27-2019 , 01:27 PM

#2058

Giovanni Dcs

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 373

Hey, everyone! :- )

I'm sorry if I didn't see anyone talking about this, but I was wondering if there is an option on pokersnowie that I can see the villan's cards when he folds and/or when I want to fold. Do you know something about it?

Thank you.

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08-28-2019 , 11:35 AM

#2059

FazendeiroBH

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,514

No, and I can´t see how this would be helpful anyways. Better to see which part of snowie´s range is taking each action (incl. folding), and you can do it by inputting the hand into the scenario option then going to Range Advice.

Cheers

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08-28-2019 , 03:53 PM

#2060

Dbk_killer

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Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 270

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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH

you're not going to be looking up every single hand you played in range advice, it's better to see the hands it folds so that when it surprises you, you know to look into more detail for those hands

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08-29-2019 , 04:41 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs

I'm sorry if I didn't see anyone talking about this, but I was wondering if there is an option on pokersnowie that I can see the villan's cards when he folds and/or when I want to fold. Do you know something about it?

They actually had that feature (showing the folded cards of all players post-training session) in early versions of Snowie. I wasn't happy when they removed it (and I don't know why they did so) but I just learned to systematically check the range analysis for all my mistakes and blunders, and would make notes on villain's range and frequencies, rather than just thinking "Oh he folded AT" or whatever.

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08-30-2019 , 08:01 AM

#2062

Giovanni Dcs

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 373

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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH

Hello, my friend.

Unfortunately I don't have the pro version, so I don't have the range advice option. Seeing the opponent's cards in every hand would help me a lot! Especially as I learn more by repetition.

Saudação de outro belo horizontino pra você! hehehehe

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Originally Posted by Dbk_killer

you're not going to be looking up every single hand you played in range advice, it's better to see the hands it folds so that when it surprises you, you know to look into more detail for those hands

Exactly!

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Unfortunately I don't have the pro version. :- (

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08-30-2019 , 12:16 PM

#2063

ArtyMcFly

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Ah, maybe they removed that feature to make the cheap version less useful, and therefore make the pro version more attractive. :/

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08-30-2019 , 12:42 PM

#2064

Giovanni Dcs

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 373

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

Ah, maybe they removed that feature to make the cheap version less useful, and therefore make the pro version more attractive. :/

Yes :- (

In my country the currency isn't strong, so the price kind of multiplies maybe five or six times to me. So, it's so expensive to buy the pro version (it's already expensive to buy the intermediate one).

Anyway, I think they could bring back the option to see the villan's card. I mean, the cards are already there anyway, and we bought the program. I think we should have the right to see the snowie's cards everytime we want to, hehehehehe.

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09-02-2019 , 08:55 AM

#2065

tuccotrading

old hand

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,373

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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs

Email Snowie and ask them straight up if they will bring back the feature allowing the user to see every players hole cards.

Tell them you think most users would like this feature, if you believe this to be true.

Might not hurt if everyone wanting this feature emailed them.

Let us know what they say.

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09-02-2019 , 09:51 AM

#2066

FazendeiroBH

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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs

Hello! Yeah, now I got what you mean, and agree with you. And I don’t even like the way they present the info in range advice. I’d rather see it in grid fashion like they show in the solver. Easier to interpret imo.

Saudações amigo

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09-02-2019 , 09:52 AM

#2067

Giovanni Dcs

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Originally Posted by tuccotrading

Good suggestion, I'm going to do this. Thank you.

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09-03-2019 , 07:56 AM

#2068

Giovanni Dcs

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Their answer:

"Hi,

Thanks very much for taking the time to provide us feedback, it's appreciated.

We are in agreement that your suggestions can potentially add enhancement to PokerSnowie, however we also have to carefully balance our product development with those features that our members are most frequently asking for.

Anyway, we have added your suggestions into our development pipeline and these will certainly be considered as part of our regular discussions.

Many thanks,"

Sad. I hope they provide that soon.

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09-03-2019 , 09:35 AM

#2069

tuccotrading

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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,373

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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs

Good work on contacting Snowie so quickly!

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09-03-2019 , 01:01 PM

#2070

mike1270

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,078

Looks like they plan to address some of what you want:

https://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/201...ie-still-alive

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09-03-2019 , 05:20 PM

#2071

FazendeiroBH

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Postflop Table in Grid format

Now I´m considering a renewal of my license

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09-03-2019 , 08:00 PM

#2072

mike1270

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well it isn't available yet

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09-04-2019 , 08:25 AM

#2073

Giovanni Dcs

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Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 373

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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH

Postflop Table in Grid format

Now I´m considering a renewal of my license

What do they mean by "grid format"? I didn't understand.

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09-04-2019 , 09:04 AM

#2074

FazendeiroBH

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Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 2,514

I know

But considering it´s an improvement that we´ll probably see in the next versions (since they know this is an issue for us users), I would be happy in paying again.

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09-04-2019 , 09:07 AM

#2075

FazendeiroBH

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Originally Posted by Giovanni Dcs

What do they mean by "grid format"? I didn't understand.

Just like GTO+ (or Pio and I guess other solvers also) show the results: A big square showing all combos, and you just move your cursor and see the actions and frequencies.

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