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Old 09-01-2018, 03:38 AM   #1801
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Oh, I hadn’t seen.

Thinking about this now even UTG vs MP 3bet spots need blockers because there are still player to act behind them.
I don’t have PIO but I have done sims on several flops on CREV (average EV of top pair / trips / draws etc * probability of hand type occurring) and based on those results Snowie heavily overvalued Axs once a flop was seen.

You could try to test SB vs BB, but blockers are also more important in that spot because that situation only occurs when the first four players have folded. They only fold when they have weaker hands (less likely to fold Ax) shifting the actual ranges BB / SB can have.

So if you really wanted you could run a PIO SIM of MP 3bets vs UTG (using Snowie ranges) then the MP 3bet bluffs Axs an EV value as if he 3bet/folded whenever CO - BB continue. Then add this up on top of your MO vs UTG sim. And you will have the value of 3betting Axs. Then do the same for Kxs or 65s. See the difference.
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Old 09-01-2018, 03:06 PM   #1802
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Monker ranges are quite close, but I had to put more antes to Snowie because otherwise, it plays too tight. 10% ante Snowie plays too tight in general, but If you put 25% ante it plays quite close to Monker ranges. Here's example,

Of course, the opening ranges are a bit different as well, so we will never get the exact same result. Monker seems to be much looser pre-flop.

6max, UTG opens and HJ 3bets, 75bb deep.

Monker, 75bb deep, 12,5% ante.



Snowie, 75bb deep, 25% ante:

Very interesting idea to add the antes. Thanks
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Old 09-03-2018, 01:54 AM   #1803
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Re: Pokersnowie question

When importing hand histories from a Pokerstars format, pokersnowie is only able to read 50%-75% of my hands. Any pot that gets to the river, it's unable to import for some reason. The error notice reads "discarded: card not valid." Any idea how to override this?

PokerStars Game #1535946879986: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2018/09/02 23:54:39 ET
Table Fantasyland 40-100 bb' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Player#2880 ($92.2 in chips)
Seat 2: Player#8240 ($132.37 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($365.18 in chips)
Seat 4: Player#2627 ($462.65 in chips)
Seat 5: Player#7616 ($41.85 in chips)
Player#2880: posts small blind $1
Player#8240: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Th Ks]
Hero: raises $3.00 to $5
Player#2627: folds
Player#7616: calls $5
Player#2880: folds
Player#8240: folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qd Ac]
Hero: checks
Player#7616: checks
*** TURN *** [Kh Qd Ac] [Td]
Hero: checks
Player#7616: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qd Ac] [Td] [Jd]
Hero: checks
Player#7616: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Th Ks] (a straight)
Player#7616: shows [As 5s] (a straight)
Player#7616 collected $6.18 from pot
Hero collected $6.17 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $26.00. Main pot $13. Main pot $13. | Rake $0.65
Board [Kh Qd Ac Td Jd]
Seat 4: Player#2627 folded
Seat 1: Player#2880 folded
Seat 5: Player#7616 showed [As 5s] and won ($6.18) with a straight
Seat 2: Player#8240 folded
Seat 3: Hero showed [Th Ks] and won ($6.17) with a straight

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Old 09-07-2018, 12:52 AM   #1804
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Re: Pokersnowie question

I just got Poker Snowie to work on my MTT game (I'm building fundamentals)

Are the Ante scenarios as accurate as the non-ante scenarios? I understand they have been running Poker Snowie for awhile, but wasn't sure if Ante scenarios were added recently or not.

Can you see a range if a player raises a sizing other than 1/4,1/2,POT 2x,POT?
For example I want to see what range it uses for opening to 3x UTG 9 handed at 1/2 i.e. UTG raises to 6.

I noticed it does some things that aren't standard and wondered why.
In $1/$2 9 handed .25 ante It 1/2 pot sizes UTG through HJ but then uses a Pot size in the HJ and then goes back to 1/2 pot in the CO.
Also it raises 1/4 pot UTG and pots the button in 100bb no ante.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:58 AM   #1805
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Also is there an update I need to manually install? Or does it always auto update when you start it?
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:11 AM   #1806
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I just got Poker Snowie to work on my MTT game (I'm building fundamentals)

Are the Ante scenarios as accurate as the non-ante scenarios? I understand they have been running Poker Snowie for awhile, but wasn't sure if Ante scenarios were added recently or not.

Can you see a range if a player raises a sizing other than 1/4,1/2,POT 2x,POT?
For example I want to see what range it uses for opening to 3x UTG 9 handed at 1/2 i.e. UTG raises to 6.

I noticed it does some things that aren't standard and wondered why.
In $1/$2 9 handed .25 ante It 1/2 pot sizes UTG through HJ but then uses a Pot size in the HJ and then goes back to 1/2 pot in the CO.
Also it raises 1/4 pot UTG and pots the button in 100bb no ante.
To train Mtt like game u have to play at highest level(where Snowie is playing like rake free)and ad ante.About sizing it is mixing,no matters position but usually it never goes more than 1/2 pot in early positions.U just use min raise(which is 0.25pot accordingly to Snowie but practical ly it is 0.4 pot raise).What ever size u choosing it will give u advice what your range should be.
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Old 09-07-2018, 11:31 AM   #1807
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To train Mtt like game u have to play at highest level(where Snowie is playing like rake free)and ad ante.About sizing it is mixing,no matters position but usually it never goes more than 1/2 pot in early positions.U just use min raise(which is 0.25pot accordingly to Snowie but practical ly it is 0.4 pot raise).What ever size u choosing it will give u advice what your range should be.
Good idea about using max stake for lower rake. Forgot about the rake factor
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Old 09-07-2018, 12:38 PM   #1808
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Re: Pokersnowie question

It opens larger sizings in late position at small stakes because it wants to avoid paying too much rake. Preflop sizing isn't super important, just open a tighter range and slightly bigger at loose/passive tables and a wider range for smaller sizing at aggressive tables.

The updates are automatic. And yes it will improvise for random sizings other than the built in ones. Now we just need to convince them to create a PokersnowieStud and PokersnowieRazz!
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Old 09-07-2018, 02:03 PM   #1809
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It opens larger sizings in late position at small stakes because it wants to avoid paying too much rake. Preflop sizing isn't super important, just open a tighter range and slightly bigger at loose/passive tables and a wider range for smaller sizing at aggressive tables.

The updates are automatic. And yes it will improvise for random sizings other than the built in ones. Now we just need to convince them to create a PokersnowieStud and PokersnowieRazz!
thanks,
ya I also found the bigger sizing in raked vs non rake games.
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Old 09-09-2018, 06:11 AM   #1810
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Really sad that Snowie doesn't include Pokerstars rivers. Any hand that gets to the river gets import error.
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Old 09-12-2018, 01:03 PM   #1811
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Can someone advise if Snowie provides the rake for each limit?
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Old 09-12-2018, 03:49 PM   #1812
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Ran into a weird bug today when reviewing hands, Snowie said my 36s wasn't good enough to raise SBvBB, "you need at least 63s" lol.
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Old 09-14-2018, 06:29 PM   #1813
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Re: Pokersnowie question

What do people think about the iOS app? I'm confused as to why it only offers a five handed table? How is that useful to anyone?
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:49 AM   #1814
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What do people think about the iOS app? I'm confused as to why it only offers a five handed table? How is that useful to anyone?
The app is 6 handed. If you want to estimate full ring, just look at the earliest position since being in MP and EP isn't all that much different.
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Old 09-15-2018, 01:42 PM   #1815
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The app is 6 handed. If you want to estimate full ring, just look at the earliest position since being in MP and EP isn't all that much different.
Android app is 2 and 5 handed...
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Old 09-15-2018, 04:25 PM   #1816
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Yeah, the iOS is definitely 2 and 5 handed as well. Unless I cant count. Why is this?
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Old 09-18-2018, 04:46 AM   #1817
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I was referring to PreflopAdvisor which is powered by pokersnowie which offeres 6max. I see now that there is the official app with HU and 5 handed.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:48 AM   #1818
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Just started using PokerSnowie. Going through by session review today and this hand confuses me:



Pre-flop action - I open BvB, BB 3-bets, I 4-bet and he calls.
Flop - I check call.
Turn - I check folded.

However PS is recommending a x/shove. I don't see what hands we beat other than AK and TT. Doesn't seem like I have much fold equity here and will only get called by better hands. I assume the only reason it's saying all-in is due to my opponents remaining stack size?
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:56 AM   #1819
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No idea if this is particular hand is a gto shove but in 3bet pots OOP solvers will often rip hands that will be behind when called, without expecting to fold out anything better.
This it done for equity denial and basically if OOP doesn’t make these shoves villain can just realise all their equity with bluffs and play too well when checked to OTR.
Low SPR is cruicial.
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:39 PM   #1820
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Re: Pokersnowie question

It does look a bit peculiar. (Many 4-bet pot strategies look a bit weird, tbh).
There's no AK in villain's range (it stacks off pre). Snowie's flatting range in BBvSB vs a 4-bet looks more like JJ-77,AQs-ATs,KTs+,QJs,AQo-AJo although not every hand is 3bet or flatted 100%.
If it checks back some Qx on the flop, you've got more fold equity than you might think, as it has a bunch of underpairs and gutters that can't call a x-jam. The blocking and anti-blocking effects of JJ in this spot are way too complicated for my brain to handle. (You block value hands like QJs, but also block bluffs with KJs/AJo).
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:50 PM   #1821
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Its all about BB's betting range on the flop...I guess any 9 combo is not betting on the flop.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:07 PM   #1822
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Can someone advise if Snowie provides the rake for each limit?
Like if I wanted to know the preflop ranges playing live with a 5% rake and $5 cap. Does snowie show the rake they are using at each limit?
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:15 PM   #1823
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Why would they make this 5 handed?
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:25 PM   #1824
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Like if I wanted to know the preflop ranges playing live with a 5% rake and $5 cap. Does snowie show the rake they are using at each limit?
Unless they've changed it in the last few months (my sub ran out), the actual rake is not listed anywhere, but I believe it was based on the Pokerstars' rake structure. (So it's about 5% up to 100NL, and then declines. High rake generally means nittier pre-flop ranges.)
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Old 09-22-2018, 11:57 AM   #1825
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Unless they've changed it in the last few months (my sub ran out), the actual rake is not listed anywhere, but I believe it was based on the Pokerstars' rake structure. (So it's about 5% up to 100NL, and then declines. High rake generally means nittier pre-flop ranges.)
I see. Thanks Arty!
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