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Old 06-17-2018, 11:12 PM   #1751
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Re: Pokersnowie question

That's why I said it deviates from GTO but the principle is the same.Check for EV's results in solver and Snowie and then lock solver to 100% check and compare the results (also ranges).
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An interesting scenario compares to solver and snowie:
100% copy the preflop range from snowie to solver.
UTG open half pot and BTN 3bet 1 pot then UTG call;
Flop 222;
snowie suggest 100% check But solver suggest 100% donk

Postflop size setting: snowie recommend OOP 25% size on the flop so I give a 25% bet size in solver and give IP 100% bet size(also by snowie's recommend after OOP checked).

Does that mean exist multiple GTO solution in pokerÖ(I don't know what happened...)
I can paste the solver file:
https://d.pr/FREE/hxqZj6
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Old 06-18-2018, 10:01 AM   #1752
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Does that mean exist multiple GTO solution in poker…
No, well, kinda. It means that Snowie has a strategy for the UTG player that Snowie thinks is best against various strategies (including sub-optimal ones) of the 3-bettor, because the neural net trained against "random" agents, not perfect/optimal players.
e.g. If the 3-bettor had a particularly tight/strong range (i.e. he played tighter than Snowie would), then donking into him might be very bad.

Solvers like GTO+ find (near) perfect solutions for specific ranges. Snowie offers ranges that supposedly do well against "randoms" as well. This is one of the many problems with the term "game theory optimal" itself. A solver can produce an "optimal" strategy for how to play against a specific and known range/strategy, but if your opponent has a different range/strategy, the solver's recommendation is no longer perfect/optimal, since it won't maximise EV against every possible strategy.
Snowie offers strategies that should do well on average vs nits and lags, but this might not be ideal when it's up against a nemesis, or a version of itself.

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Old 06-18-2018, 11:39 AM   #1753
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Re: Pokersnowie question

I don't use snowie, *are* those really the same range? For JJ you have JcJd but there are 6 JJ variations. The reason this might be important is that there are 6 pair variations but only 4 XYs variations, so if you include just a single example of each hand type, then the overall distribution is skewed (it makes the XYs hands appear more common than they actually are)

(Also, snowie has not actually solved GTO. I don't know in the solver's case whether it can be considered solved either - From my understanding you can get an optimal (or near optimial) solution from "this point forward" but that doesn't actually mean that the node you're currently on is even part of the GTO solution at all. In essence it lets you find a solution to a modified game.
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Old 06-27-2018, 04:06 AM   #1754
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There is an update.Snowbot goes all in on training.Goodbye Challenges!!!
...and hello tournaments train mode.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:33 AM   #1755
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On the day my annual subscription expired? It's so rigged!
Any info/screengrabs on the new features?
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Old 06-27-2018, 10:44 AM   #1756
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On the day my annual subscription expired? It's so rigged!
Any info/screengrabs on the new features?
I haven't checked yet all the improvements but mainly ... http://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/2018...ining-platform
Customized spots r good improvement i think.
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Old 06-27-2018, 12:51 PM   #1757
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On the day my annual subscription expired? It's so rigged!
Any info/screengrabs on the new features?
Weird coincidence Arty as mine expired today as well. I got an email from them telling me they've reactivated my free trial though. Not sure what that's about.
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Old 06-27-2018, 02:39 PM   #1758
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Re: Pokersnowie question

When in training mode using the Cash game training, the auto rebuy is not working. I've tried 100% and 90% but the stack keeps dwindling so that needs to be looked at.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:15 PM   #1759
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Thanks for the link, disident. I ended up finding it shortly after posting.
Husk, I remember you tipping me off about the discount price a year ago, so that must have been why I renewed. I'm trying to resist the urge to sub again. The new features sound quite cool.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:09 PM   #1760
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Thanks for the link, disident. I ended up finding it shortly after posting.
Husk, I remember you tipping me off about the discount price a year ago, so that must have been why I renewed. I'm trying to resist the urge to sub again. The new features sound quite cool.
I haven't bothered this year. It's GTO+ for me these days.
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Old 06-28-2018, 01:24 PM   #1761
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I haven't bothered this year. It's GTO+ for me these days.
Off topic but how are you finding gto+? I canít seem to figure out why itís much cheaper than pio and SP. are the solves as accurate?
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Old 06-28-2018, 02:22 PM   #1762
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Off topic but how are you finding gto+? I canít seem to figure out why itís much cheaper than pio and SP. are the solves as accurate?
Exactly the same results like PIO if the trees/situation that u r solving r same.Perfect for the money.Also is user friendly(easy).I was lucky to have bought CREV so I got it for free.
U can go to gto+ main site and check the videos.It is all explained.
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