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02-01-2018 , 01:15 AM
does it has two licenses?
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02-01-2018 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Frogman3
https://gyazo.com/a5e71892b9c588cc818e693ee94c3a99
Yes snowie probably does have flaws but also some of the things that players believe are flaws may just be things that humans aren't very good at doing .
People that say it's bad like if they only want it to do things that they believe to be "good" then why use any program ? If you already know the correct play in every spot ? Having said that , consider snowie as a coach not a poker god . Coaches can be wrong but they are paid to help you develop YOUR game not to copy theirs . Ok in these days of gto there is considered to be one correct way to play but gto calcs can't currently simulate a full 6max cashgame so snowie is an inaccurate but highly usable alternative . The usefulness is that it can show you its range in every spot and this can help you redefine your own ranges and give you ideas about areas your ranges might be too value heavy or too capped etc . You can't emulate it ingame so theres no point trying to copy it's play . Although if you believe some of it's ranges to be correct then you can of course copy them for yourself . Keep thinking whilst you're using it and it's a great tool
Thank you. This is what I was asking. I don't interact with it looking to have my plays validated all the time. I want to learn. But just as with a human coach, I like to question what it says from time to time.

I'm really seeing the benefit of the program now that I'm playing "for real" again. Being able to import a session and look at where my problems are is nice.
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02-07-2018 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Let's compare 98s and 65s.

1. Which of these hands has the most equity vs AA?
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Not only does 65s beat 98s in this regard, 65s has more equity against aces than any other hand (apart from the other combo of aces).

2. Which hand is less likely to be dominated when it makes a pair?
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Villain doesn't play K6s, Q6s, or J6s UTG, but he could play K9s, Q9s and/or J9s, so 65s is more likely to be "two live cards".

3. Which hand gets stacked more often when it makes the "idiot end" of a straight?
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When you have 65s on 987, villain only has 4 combos of JTs, so your "idiot straight" is very likely to be the best hand. When you have 98s on QJT, villain has 16 combos of AK and 3 of K9s, so you're less likely to win. Hence, 98s will sometimes make a very expensive second-best hand and therefore 98s has worse "reverse implied odds" than 65s. In addition, when you're trying to make a straight with 98s, villain's range contains blockers. Villain's range doesn't heavily block the sevens and fours you need to flop an OESD with 65s.

4. Which hand gets paid off more often when it makes the nut straight?
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When the board comes 432xx and villain has A5s, you stack him every time you have 65s. (You also get value from his other wheel draws). When you have 98s on 765xx, villain never has a worse straight - or many decent draws - to pay you off.

5. Which hand improves the board coverage of your range the best?
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You already have TT-88 and JTs in your flatting range, so you can already represent strong hands on boards containing nines and eights. You don't need 98s for that purpose. 65s helps you make/represent some monster hands on the lower boards.

6. Which hand is my absolute favourite?
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65hh. It's the prettiest hand of all and I have confirmed this by thinking about it.
Excellent and esthetically pleasing post.

Thanks for the extra effort when making the post fun to read.

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02-12-2018 , 01:53 PM
Has anyone put Snowie ranges in Pio in a wide range of situations to see how close the results are at different points in the hand?
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02-12-2018 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Has anyone put Snowie ranges in Pio in a wide range of situations to see how close the results are at different points in the hand?
Problem will be with card removal effect...U have to work with total combinations if action is not simple:Bet-Call.I can try with GTO+ to solve one example.Do u wish BTN opens BB calls or SB opens BB calls?
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02-13-2018 , 02:43 AM
Just wanted to pop in and say how much I love snowie. I'm micro stakes working on my game and I've made huge improvements in a few weeks using it about an hour a day. I think it just really suits the way I personally learn. I love that it might say "wrong" but then shows you the ev of what a call or a fold ev would be. Sometimes the two are very close in ev even though one is "wrong". This has really widened my understanding and given me confidence in close spots.

For a beginner level player at least it's invaluable. 5 stars.
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02-13-2018 , 07:27 PM
So if we wanna compare Snowie action vs. what solver would do here is some example in simple situation.It goes SB bets pot,BB calls.I used GTO+ and did a simulation of Snowie play on lowest level NL20.
So board is Kh9c7s and we have Js9d.We bet 0.25 pot.Snowie says bet 100%.GTO+ solving for less than that with this combo 69%(entire range advise is bet 78%).BB calls.

On the turn comes Ac.Now Snowbot advice is bet/check 55/45%.We check.GTO+ solves 82.3% 0.25 pot bet for entire range and 78% for J9 that we hold.But action that went was SBCheck/BB bet pot/SB folds 100%.I did simulation scenario at GTo+ to be played like that.

And here is the deviation.GTO+ is calling almost 95%+ and the rest is raise,never folding cuz still finds +EV.Snowie is 100% folding vs pot size bet.

One of the principles of optimal play is that bluffing is often not a profitable play in and of itself.So as the pot grows ,in this situation,our disadvantage grows since we must pay off vilains value bets.Snowie choses to fold 100%.Is this a reason(or a strategy) because this is the lowest level(rake heavy)?I can't tell that.That's AI mind.

Last edited by disident; 02-13-2018 at 07:43 PM.
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02-14-2018 , 04:20 AM
Sorry if this has been asked before, I did try searching...

How does pokersnowie improve itself?

Does it improve by seeing how we play (via challenges and HHs) OR

does it simply just play it's self constantly behind the scenes?

I saw that it plays differently between stakes. One reason for this is rake of course, but it left me thinking is that because it is facing different types of oppenents at diff stakes?

So yeh, how does snowie improve?

thanks
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02-14-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by disident
So if we wanna compare Snowie action vs. what solver would do here is some example in simple situation.It goes SB bets pot,BB calls.I used GTO+ and did a simulation of Snowie play on lowest level NL20.
So board is Kh9c7s and we have Js9d.We bet 0.25 pot.Snowie says bet 100%.GTO+ solving for less than that with this combo 69%(entire range advise is bet 78%).BB calls.

On the turn comes Ac.Now Snowbot advice is bet/check 55/45%.We check.GTO+ solves 82.3% 0.25 pot bet for entire range and 78% for J9 that we hold.But action that went was SBCheck/BB bet pot/SB folds 100%.I did simulation scenario at GTo+ to be played like that.

And here is the deviation.GTO+ is calling almost 95%+ and the rest is raise,never folding cuz still finds +EV.Snowie is 100% folding vs pot size bet.

One of the principles of optimal play is that bluffing is often not a profitable play in and of itself.So as the pot grows ,in this situation,our disadvantage grows since we must pay off vilains value bets.Snowie choses to fold 100%.Is this a reason(or a strategy) because this is the lowest level(rake heavy)?I can't tell that.That's AI mind.
It looks like you compared your ranges for BvB to snowie play with different pre flop ranges? Doesn't snowie still use a rather complex mixed pre flop strategy in SB?

If you didn't copy snow's exact pre flop ranges for both players you are comparing apples to oranges.
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02-14-2018 , 01:02 PM
Without delving into details I think Snowie is great for improving your ranges and finding imbalances in your play. It also encourages your creativity and is very efficient for reviewing sessions. It sure has it's shortcomings, striving for extra terrestrial rating in liveplay would for example be ******ed, but if used correctly Snowie is imo worth 10x of what you get for a RIO-elite sub.
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02-14-2018 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by disident
Problem will be with card removal effect...U have to work with total combinations if action is not simple:Bet-Call.I can try with GTO+ to solve one example.Do u wish BTN opens BB calls or SB opens BB calls?
Thank you for your generousl offer. I will take a rain check until the right spot comes up.

Thanks again.
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02-15-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
It looks like you compared your ranges for BvB to snowie play with different pre flop ranges? Doesn't snowie still use a rather complex mixed pre flop strategy in SB?

If you didn't copy snow's exact pre flop ranges for both players you are comparing apples to oranges.
Exact Snowie ranges man.Super complex mixed.And I put it exactly. That's why I have chosen simple pre flop action,SB bets pot and BB calls.If pre flop goes 3bet,4bet etc. It is hard to put it in GTO+ because it is post flop solver and u can't put right % of Snowie ranges.They shrink and u cannot tell by only looking at graphs.
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02-16-2018 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by disident
Exact Snowie ranges man.Super complex mixed.And I put it exactly. That's why I have chosen simple pre flop action,SB bets pot and BB calls.If pre flop goes 3bet,4bet etc. It is hard to put it in GTO+ because it is post flop solver and u can't put right % of Snowie ranges.They shrink and u cannot tell by only looking at graphs.
If your pre flop ranges are WAY different than Snowies you aren't making a valid comparison.

If you have time on your hands you can make very close comparisons between solver and Snowie. For it to be meaningful you have to take PS's exact ranges, and bet sizes as your solver inputs. Snowie provides its exact pre flop ranges but no easy way to copy/past(last I looked). Try a much easier solve with something like COvBB if you are curious.
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02-16-2018 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
If your pre flop ranges are WAY different than Snowies you aren't making a valid comparison.

If you have time on your hands you can make very close comparisons between solver and Snowie. For it to be meaningful you have to take PS's exact ranges, and bet sizes as your solver inputs. Snowie provides its exact pre flop ranges but no easy way to copy/past(last I looked). Try a much easier solve with something like COvBB if you are curious.
Did u see what I wrote?I put exact Snowie ranges!SB raising range and BB calling range!
I have intermediate subscription.
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02-19-2018 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by disident
Did u see what I wrote?I put exact Snowie ranges!SB raising range and BB calling range!
I have intermediate subscription.
Sorry I misread your post. Looking at the GTO+ pictures it is unclear exactly what ranges you used and they looked different than what I recall PS does. I just had a look at sim of BvB at 5/10NL and PS raises 42%, limps 21%, and folds the rest.

Look at your sim at micros - There maybe also be difference due to rake in Snowie and in solver(depending on how you accounted for it/or not).

I am not sure how much it matters as I think we can agree that PS is not the same a GTO solutions.
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02-19-2018 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
Sorry I misread your post. Looking at the GTO+ pictures it is unclear exactly what ranges you used and they looked different than what I recall PS does. I just had a look at sim of BvB at 5/10NL and PS raises 42%, limps 21%, and folds the rest.

Look at your sim at micros - There maybe also be difference due to rake in Snowie and in solver(depending on how you accounted for it/or not).

I am not sure how much it matters as I think we can agree that PS is not the same a GTO solutions.
Yeah,I didn't post Snowie range pictures because I think it is not fair for copy rights reasons.Snowie plays GTO style not because of theory but because of playing against itself that eventually will come close to optimal.Another thing to mention here is that 0.25 pot bet that Snowie is using.If I not told to solver to use it ,solver probably will use bigger size never mind that EV will not change what ever size u use.
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02-23-2018 , 02:32 PM
What do you guys think about Snowie's 4b play as SB vs BB? I'm mainly wondering about the suggestion to 4b small pocket pairs 55-77 for half pot (suggested size). Do the preflop solver solutions for BvB look anything like this?
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02-24-2018 , 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Grothendieck
What do you guys think about Snowie's 4b play as SB vs BB? I'm mainly wondering about the suggestion to 4b small pocket pairs 55-77 for half pot (suggested size). Do the preflop solver solutions for BvB look anything like this?
not great

no
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02-24-2018 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Grothendieck
Do the preflop solver solutions for BvB look anything like this?
No but I haven't seen a set of pre flop solves that included super small 4B sizes either.
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02-24-2018 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
No but I haven't seen a set of pre flop solves that included super small 4B sizes either.
Yes.Basically you can keep betting big like pot,pot,pot or whatever to get all the money in(combos will shrink big in total relative to your bet size) or you can shrink your bet size like pot,1/2pot,1/4pot (combos will shrink in slow fashion in total relative to your bet size).Either way money eventually will go in but if u use first method it will go in after 5 bet/call and id u use second method it will go in after 7bet,8bet...It is just math balanced toy game.Snowie is using second method always as recommendation.If you have checked short stack play in challenges (50bb minus) u will notice that pot size play by Snowie is rare.It starts using 1/2pot,1/4pot...
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02-24-2018 , 11:31 PM
first time using snowie and i found some really weird hands advices,like limping behind with 99 from BTN in 6-max,is it right ? should i follow 100% what snowie says or better ignore some questionable plays ?
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02-25-2018 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by matthmit
first time using snowie and i found some really weird hands advices,like limping behind with 99 from BTN in 6-max,is it right ? should i follow 100% what snowie says or better ignore some questionable plays ?
Can u explain the situation?It is possible but still...
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02-25-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by matthmit
first time using snowie and i found some really weird hands advices,like limping behind with 99 from BTN in 6-max,is it right ? should i follow 100% what snowie says or better ignore some questionable plays ?
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02-26-2018 , 04:23 PM
does is came with two licences?

can it be instaled on two dif pcs?
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02-27-2018 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by D33P
does is came with two licences?

can it be instaled on two dif pcs?
U can't use it as a bot if that's what u ask. It's not possible in real time play.
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