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Old 12-26-2017, 11:15 AM   #1601
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Re: Pokersnowie question

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Arty, you're da nuts!! Can't remember ever complimenting someone in a forum before on the overall quality of his posts, but gotta say that I hope you'll keep this kind of input at 2+2 going for a long time to come
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:50 PM   #1602
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Thanks a lot. I like to think I'm the gift that keeps on giving! Happy holidays!
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Old 01-01-2018, 02:51 PM   #1603
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Sometimes, when the stack sizes are little outside what it's used to, it marks up an error and gives advice that is just plain funny.



It said that 8-betting was "a bit too aggressive" and I should have flatted the 7-bet in order to create an SPR of 0.08.
obv this seems silly to us humans but a computer doesn't think "may as well put the rest in now since I'm never folding postflop anyway"

If it thinks calling is +0.01 over shoving then it will do that

I agree that the "error" amount of 0.8bb seems a lot but if this is a 220bb pot then its not inconceivable that you make 0.4% more by just calling rather than shoving . Give snowie AA and the board is Td9d8d9h2d and it does get checked down at a low freq.. in snowie land haha
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Old 01-01-2018, 04:46 PM   #1604
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Thanks a lot. I like to think I'm the gift that keeps on giving! Pokersnowie question Happy holidays!


arty you are my favorite guy in 2+2.

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Old 01-09-2018, 08:36 PM   #1605
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Re: Pokersnowie question

How well does Snowie perform in games where stacks are only 40BB? BOth when it comes to preflop and postflop play.
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Old 01-10-2018, 12:43 PM   #1606
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Let's compare 98s and 65s.

1. Which of these hands has the most equity vs AA?
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2. Which hand is less likely to be dominated when it makes a pair?
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3. Which hand gets stacked more often when it makes the "idiot end" of a straight?
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4. Which hand gets paid off more often when it makes the nut straight?
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5. Which hand improves the board coverage of your range the best?
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6. Which hand is my absolute favourite?
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Good post, as usual.
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Old 01-11-2018, 07:07 PM   #1607
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Arty will you do an AMA? I think it’s time
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Old 01-12-2018, 11:31 AM   #1608
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Re: Pokersnowie question

Hi,

Quick question

Did snowie come up with having multiple bet sizings for RFI preflop?

I would think multiple bet sizings are only GTO postflop
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:02 PM   #1609
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I would think multiple bet sizings are only GTO postflop
Why would u think that
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:09 PM   #1610
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Re: Pokersnowie question

I just ran this in a solver and I hold my hands up and say I'm wrong.

I was thinking that the only reason to mix up bet sizes would be to prevent exploitation on a previous street. i.e. if villain knows we're restricting ourselves to one sizing on future streets, he can base his strategy on an earlier street based on that.

Then I remembered I had a solver so I could literally prove this myself. I plugged in a river scenario with test ranges, and the IP player having the option to bet multiple sizes (and he has the more polarised range) or check. The OOP player could only call.

In this isolated scenario there are range vs range set ups that are solved with the bettor taking lines with multiple sizings.

This is also the case when you allow the OOP player to raise. This tree isn't perfect (the raise sizes available in certain parts of the tree are more favourable to one player) since I'm not going to create a tree for every possible raise size, but it's good enough to prove that multiple bet sizes are good in some spots solely because of the ranges on that street.

So I would assume having multiple sizes pre is GTO. Idk if Snowie has done this. I don't think I care now though knowing this now though. Answered my own question.
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Old 01-12-2018, 07:54 PM   #1611
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Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be to create my own program like this for a simpler game like fixed limit holdem or 2-7 TD? It would have to run way less simulations against itself than a no-limit game. But I don't know anything about programming, and I don't have a giant room full of computers...
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Old 01-12-2018, 08:54 PM   #1612
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Nice humbling response.
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Old 01-13-2018, 07:37 AM   #1613
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Just out of curiosity, how hard would it be to create my own program like this for a simpler game like fixed limit holdem or 2-7 TD? It would have to run way less simulations against itself than a no-limit game. But I don't know anything about programming, and I don't have a giant room full of computers...
I was under the impression commercial solvers are running on regular hardware right now, but I could be wrong.
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:25 PM   #1614
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I was under the impression commercial solvers are running on regular hardware right now, but I could be wrong.
Still doesn't mean it's easy to program a solver
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Old 01-13-2018, 03:35 PM   #1615
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Still doesn't mean it's easy to program a solver
Haha agreed. I was just commenting on the "room full of servers" part.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:22 PM   #1616
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I can't see opponent hole cards in pokersnowie challenge, at the end of each hand. Ofc I have removed fast fold option, but I don't get the option anymore. Do you know why?
I didn't use snowie for long time, thank you
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:43 PM   #1617
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I can't see opponent hole cards in pokersnowie challenge, at the end of each hand. Ofc I have removed fast fold option, but I don't get the option anymore. Do you know why?
I didn't use snowie for long time, thank you
Someone had the idiotic idea to remove that feature
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:56 PM   #1618
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Why the hell do they not display ranges in a hand matrix than listing every combo with a tiny percentage. It takes much much more time to understand the range than if shown visually.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:58 PM   #1619
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Why the hell do they not display ranges in a hand matrix than listing every combo with a tiny percentage. It takes much much more time to understand the range than if shown visually.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:59 PM   #1620
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Someone had the idiotic idea to remove that feature
I don't understand why, but I hope they get it back
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:47 PM   #1621
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Arty will you do an AMA? I think it’s time
I think it's GTO to quit while you're ahead. I retired from poker yesterday.

It was a pleasure interacting with you guys in this and other threads, but my work here is done.
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Old 01-14-2018, 01:41 PM   #1622
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Is there a way to pay pokersnowie monthly and not anually?
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:46 PM   #1623
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Is there a way to pay pokersnowie monthly and not anually?
No. Because everyone would just pay for 1 month and quit after they see it's sh*t.

This way they get more money out of people
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:04 PM   #1624
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No. Because everyone would just pay for 1 month and quit after they see it's sh*t.

This way they get more money out of people
This is the truth right here folks. I used PokerSnowie for like two months and then I got tired of it.

Its heads up game is pretty good for deeper stacks though. If you play in a full game the way it plays you'll get crushed though. In order for its game theory path to be successful everyone else at the table has to be playing that same strategy.

Imagine if you played a Poker Snowie strategy with 20BBs at the later stages of an MTT. You would lose a lot, because Snowie gives too much credit since it assumes the opposition is using its same strategy. You will blind away.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:25 AM   #1625
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This is the truth right here folks. I used PokerSnowie for like two months and then I got tired of it.

Its heads up game is pretty good for deeper stacks though. If you play in a full game the way it plays you'll get crushed though. In order for its game theory path to be successful everyone else at the table has to be playing that same strategy.

Imagine if you played a Poker Snowie strategy with 20BBs at the later stages of an MTT. You would lose a lot, because Snowie gives too much credit since it assumes the opposition is using its same strategy. You will blind away.
You could't because pokersnowie doesn't have the option to bet allin for being relevant to shortstack play.

I think is abusive from the company to don't allow you to buy it monthly if you want
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