Excellent post.

In what way does it cheat?

I've just downloaded snowie and am nowhere near knowing anything about the software yet but what im disappointed in challenge mode is the fact that it's basically vs all regs. And, are we just assume every player plays the same? Why not put a limping fish in there sometimes to mimic some real life scenarios and bloated pots.

If a fish has position or is first to act or in the middle post flop in a 3way pot I would imagine it would drastically change what is optimal. What about 7 way lol live pots? Tables with a mix of stack sizes ?

Also, every reg is diff and we should formulate our ranges differently based on the player we are playing against. I see how the program can be of use but I'm a little let down basef on what I've heard about it.

I haven't imported any hands yet and I'm using only challenge mode so maybe there is more benefits to unlock.

Is there a way to copy a hand history from poker snowie so i can post it on this forum to get advice? Thanks

ALT+PrtScrn will make a screengrab. You can also use Windows 10's snipping tool.
Paste it into an image editing program and export it as a JPG or PNG.
Upload it to an image-hosting site.
Post the URL in the thread.

Pretty sure that scenario is you playing against 5 snowies that theoretically play exactly the same. It isn't designed to replicate or mimic other players or playing styles. Those snowies will play each hand to the best of it's ability with knowledge it has. Basically each decision it makes it asks itself "Okay, based on the X million hands I have played, what was the most GTO way to approach this situation?"

I've found the hand history reviewer most valuable myself. Loading in 20 hands and running through it is a great way to review and/or prepare for a session. Snowie is kind of like a poker buddy to me that I might bounce a hand or two off of to see how they may have approached it.

been using Snowie for the 1st time in a while. At 10/20 fr 200bb eff they seem to minraise open more than I remember

i got a question about snowies call 5bet bvb.

When i let the sb open 3x and the bb 3bets pot and the sb 4bet pot. Then the bb 5bet shoves with: QQ+,AK+

But now snowie lets the sb call the shove with: QQ+,ATo+,A9s. I dont get that. Cause the sb needs to call 14.6 in order to win a pot of 40. So he needs 36.5% equity (actually more because of the rake). But when i fire up equitylab and see what range has this equity against the bb 5bet range i get the same range QQ+,AK+. ATo only has 30% so to me it seems a loosing call.

What am i missing?

Calling 5b shove with ATo is bad.

yeah thought so. emailed snowie about this. will post the reply here. without reads what is your recommended call 5bet shove range bvb?

Depends how wide people are, but something around JJ+, AK

How do you guys know pokersnowie is any good? I have found in some spots that if opponnent plays their hand a certain way it has no bluffs however we are still suppossed to call off against a range with hands that can't beat anything in that range. Am I missing something here? Has snowie just not learned that it has to fold in these spots? Also sometimes it suggest using a certain bet size when another bet size is more optimal.

You are not missing anything. Snowie is just a toy. Not good to play like it for real money.

You can learn a lot from snowie if used correctly.

You and all the other hands with blatant "errors" are probably missing that snowie is not playing against snowie exactly . I am guessing here but this is how I believe it works

Snowie 1 raises SB with a range it thinks is optimal against ALL the opponent types it has faced in it's training . Lets say it's faced opponents who will shove against any open and also opponents who will fold to any open and every style inbetween. Eventually it has come to an optimal opening range which does best on average against every possible opponent reaction (or as much as the training has allowed ) whilst allowing itself to be as unexploitable as possible

Snowie 2 in the BB faces a 3x open from the SB . It has a 3bet range which it has developed after millions of hands playing against itself and exploitative agents blah blah .

Snowie 1 faces a 3bet and has a sb v bb 4bet range which it has developed after millions of hands ...

Snowie 1 is consistent in that it's opening range will contain hands which it will then fold, call or 4bet against a 3bet . It is balanced in it's own ranges and not responding to snowie 2's exact strategy . Thus you get the gaps like when snowie2 5bet shoves and snowie1 calls off a range that is not optimal against snowie2's range but IS an optimal call off range from it's experience of playing millions of hands and having a open / 4bet range it then has a balanced fold or call range to a 5bet shove

Snowie never openshoves for 20 bb but still snowie will give you a calling range against a 20bb openshove . This tells you that snowie is not exactly playing against snowie it is playing against all the times in the past it has faced a 20bb openshove and what it has decided is an optimal response against that . So when it faces a 5bet shove it's not telling you what the best response is to a snowie 5bet shove but the best response to a 5bet shove it has gathered from it's experience

oops double post

Are you sure that 5bet range isn't just the typical value range? It's probably accounting for some A2 and other bluffs which it should have to be balanced

@frogman thanks for your reply. It makes sense. Got somewhat of the same reply from the snowie team.

http://www.pokersnowie.com/faq.html#pokersnowie20

Ah nice . They have explained it better than I did but I'm glad I was along the right lines

When folded to Snowie's btn in frnl 100bb deep... what hands does it open and then fold to a 3x 3B from the BB (sb folds)?

you can check that on the preflop advisor

matthew janda has a few videos using snowie, i think its a good tool to learn even if some things are complicated to implement

I have a question I hope someone can answer.

Looking at the article on why we use small bet sizes here > http://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/2016...et-sizes-poker

So I'm playing in challenge mode and I open JdJh in MP and get called by BB. Flop is Tc 4s 2s. Using the logic in the article, I would have thought snowie would recommend a pot sized bet - however it doesn't, it recommends 0.25 of pot. When I look at the EV of each bet, the higher EV is for the pot sized bet:

Bet 0.25 - 5.03 EV
Bet Pot - 5.10 EV

So my question is, why is the live advice not recommending the line with the highest EV?

yes I'm aware. Unfortunately I don't have a sub anymore

I'm guessing it's taking the line with the highest EV for your entire range and not just a specific hand.


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