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I will put it another way. See pic below. How can you say Snowie mixes frequencies when its recommendations are to do something 100% of the time, rather than bet something like bet 80% and check 20%. It is extremely rare that Snowie's recommendations be something other than 100% of the time. Maybe once in 500 hands you find that a recommendation that is not 100% of the time.
Also, the recommendations that Snowie gives are based on what Snowie thinks is EV of each move and nothing else.

How can you justify their claim that it teaches GTO when anything other then their 100% choice is an error according to Snowie.

Last edited by wwwin; 03-29-2016 at 01:13 AM.

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03-29-2016 , 03:53 AM

#1177

ETBrooD

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Oh my god please stahp already. You clearly have never used Snowie regularly. I get so cringy from reading your posts that I can call it an abs workout.

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03-29-2016 , 07:04 AM

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jimmysnow

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Originally Posted by wwwin

I think he means bifurcation of Snowies range not individual hands.

GTO strategy would always choose the highest EV option. So the only way Snowie would mix actions would be if both actions had the same EV and in my experience with Snowie it happens more than 1 in 500. You do bring up a good point about the limitations of Snowies EV calculations.

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03-29-2016 , 08:35 AM

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just_grindin

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Originally Posted by wwwin

It's pretty trivial to show certain lines should be taken 100% of the time.

For example if you're in position holding the nuts you should bet 100% of the time as no other option holds higher EV.

Now whether or not you can generalize it to other areas of play is another question, but for all intents and purposes I think it probably holds true that some actions should be taken 100% of the time with certain hands.

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03-29-2016 , 01:30 PM

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StewieStag

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@wwwin Play Snowie for 10k hands, treat it as study (not to play like Snowie but to improve how you play your ranges) and post results. Then you have a bit of weight in an argument.

But also I don't understand any point you are trying to make so your argument will still be pointless. What stakes do you play and how much have you lost?

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03-29-2016 , 01:38 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by wwwin

I happened to have a scenario open when I looked at this thread again. For the spot I'm looking at (AT7tt in a 3-bet pot), all the hands at the top of the betting range are using mixed frequencies.

Just lol at "maybe once in 500 hands". Mixing occurs in almost every post-flop spot. Quite often there are only a few combos that use pure 100% or 0% frequencies.

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03-29-2016 , 03:08 PM

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Brokenstars

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#liveplayerstrat

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04-03-2016 , 12:35 AM

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Derpdeedoo

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Originally Posted by fozzy71

No, it does not support antes or straddles.

Is there any way to model it into a scenario somehow? (having dead money in the pot, etc).

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04-03-2016 , 05:06 AM

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Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by Derpdeedoo

Is there any way to model it into a scenario somehow? (having dead money in the pot, etc).

In my humble opinion, I think that the only thing that would change is mostly some preflop sizing stuff (and therefore ranges).

Despite this, most of the postflop stuff is likely close enough that it's fine.

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04-04-2016 , 12:07 AM

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Derpdeedoo

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars

I think later positions would change a bit, especially the sb in an unopened pot.

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04-05-2016 , 03:36 AM

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Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by Derpdeedoo

I think later positions would change a bit, especially the sb in an unopened pot.

I think that'd be preflop.

Just saying the post flop advice should be OK. Obviously the ranges are a little different, but my analyzing them you should get a rough idea of what you should be doing for the ranges you specifically have.

For instance, Snowie plays pretty tight on the BTN/CO compared to me, so my ranges are weaker and therefore I construct my c-betting ranges a bit differently. ESP when the field x/r much less and folds more. So, it's a give and take --- weaker range = check more, but weaker opponents = bet more.

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04-07-2016 , 01:43 AM

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MrFrog

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Hi I just downloaded the pokersnowie and run the trail is it possible to add ante in the trial I am a turnament player and ante is crusial.

My goal useing pokersnowie is to create preflop ranges.

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04-08-2016 , 06:37 AM

#1188

Brokenstars

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no mrfrog

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04-10-2016 , 09:11 PM

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ShakeShack

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Is pokersnowie working for anyone? I can't log in and their customer support won't respond. On their facebook page, people have been complaining about not being able to log in for weeks, and they are also complaining about not getting replies from the customer support.

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04-10-2016 , 11:30 PM

#1190

+VLFBERH+T

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^^

As this thread is full of people who discuss their experiences with Snowie - yeah, quite obviously, it does work for some users ...

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04-11-2016 , 08:44 AM

#1191

ShakeShack

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Has anyone here been able to beat snowie over a million hands or so yet?

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04-11-2016 , 10:06 AM

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Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by ShakeShack

Has anyone here been able to beat snowie over a million hands or so yet?

No one is going to play snowie for a million hands....

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04-12-2016 , 11:53 AM

#1193

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by ShakeShack

Has anyone here been able to beat snowie over a million hands or so yet?

I think there are probably fewer than 100 people that play more than 5,000 hands a month against it, so you may have to wait a few years.

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04-14-2016 , 03:39 PM

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Cashcid Linc

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I have to say after this spot Im just forced to assume snowie's 9max preflop game really sucks and is not balanced at all. I have posted a weird spot before, now in this spot snowie wants to call three hands vs an open, that is 99 TT and JJ. How is that in any form a balanced calling range.

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04-14-2016 , 03:40 PM

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Cashcid Linc

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ugh i guess the pic is too small. Situation is following, im raising on a 54bb stack from ep and it wants to call said range on a 31bb stack on the button

edit: nevermind, one can zoom in

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04-14-2016 , 06:39 PM

#1196

+VLFBERH+T

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Originally Posted by Cashcid Linc

ugh i guess the pic is too small. Situation is following, im raising on a 54bb stack from ep and it wants to call said range on a 31bb stack on the button

edit: nevermind, one can zoom in

Don't know how to zoom in, could you upload a bigger version again ?

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04-14-2016 , 07:07 PM

#1197

Brokenstars

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Originally Posted by Cashcid Linc

ugh i guess the pic is too small. Situation is following, im raising on a 54bb stack from ep and it wants to call said range on a 31bb stack on the button

edit: nevermind, one can zoom in

I don't think it's that far off from being reasonable.

1. What flatting range would you suggest?
2. What are the stacks in the blinds?

The stack sizes and higher number of players could create a lot of variance in snowie's solution there fwiw. But, you really should have quite a tight flatting range there. Especially if the blinds are around 30bb or less too.

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04-14-2016 , 10:13 PM

#1198

ETBrooD

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Low SPR explains it.
Snowie is not great at 9-handed poker, and his balancing game also has major flaws, but this particular spot doesn't seem like a major error to me. You can probably increase the EV of some hands so much that you can defend slightly more than Snowie, but not much more (using unorthodox betsizes).

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04-15-2016 , 07:56 AM

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samooth

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two quick things; the word static is completely misused in the last 20 or so posts. it has nothing to do with whether you mix or not.

the conjecture that, while snowie is playing some river subgames horribly, its advice on earlier streets "should be ok" is absolutely lovely.

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04-15-2016 , 06:21 PM

#1200

ShakeShack

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Pokersnowie has some of the most frustratingly slow and standoffish customer service ever. They make their customers feel like dicks and are almost trying to ignore you. That's why I guess they only have 1 year subscriptions, so that once you sign up, they don't have too much incentives to actually provide any support until your subscription is close to running out. I hate that I still have months left on this thing instead of being able to cancel and get my money back.

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