That said, I don't think Snowie is useful if you don't understand a decent amount about GTO.

It is more of a tool than a trainer if that makes sense.

Is Snowie totally use less for deeper stack play?

I just modeled some preflop situation 200bb deep and Snowie has a 4bet range consisting of only AA.

I wonder why Snowie didn't partecipate to the annual bot contest

In fact we have been already asked several times about the annual bot competition. However, this is currently not our priority as we are a small company and we are focusing and working hard on bringing new and improved products on the market, while at the same time discussing on important collaborations with key players in the industry which will help us reach our objectives.

We might reconsider the bot competition next year, but it's not in our plans for now.

Among the important things that will be happening around PokerSnowie in the next 2 months, we are going to update the AI in a few days and we will post on our blog what are the most important news about it.

I can't promise to be able to answer promptly to any question on this forum, but I'll do my best.

Best Regards,

Roberto Gobbo
CEO - Snowie Games Ltd.
www.pokersnowie.com

is the website clean of unsupported GTO claims nowadays?

After year of "development" software still crashes. You need to hire some testers or maybe you ignore users feedback...

I'm sorry to hear you are experiencing problems with our software. Thousands of people are using it since more than one year and we are not aware of any major issue, but we would be happy to get your feedback and look into the issues you will report.

Please contact customer support at support@pokersnowie.com.

Roberto Gobbo
CEO - Snowie Games Ltd.
www.pokersnowie.com

The website is public and you can check it by yourself :-)

Let me know if you find anything which you consider misleading.

Roberto Gobbo
CEO - Snowie Games Ltd.
www.pokersnowie.com

no, that's your responsibility :-)

It doesn't crash for me any more often than other software I use.

I've emailed support 2 days ago and haven't received a response yet. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

You do realize that by refusing to enter this competition you lose a lot of credibility among serious players?

There's really only one reason for you not to enter the competition.

And even if you can't comply to the annual computer poker competition rules, you should easily be able to find a bot who will be willing to play with snowie.

Hi,

our support team is available during weekdays from 9 AM to 6 PM CET and we try to answer always as fast as possibile. If you have troubles getting a feedback, please pm me the email address you used to register PokerSnowie and I'll check the status of your inquiry.

Thanks,
Roberto

Thanks Roberto. I've PM'd you.

I have just finished reading the thread and want to give my take on the questions posed about Snowie's strategy being stored in a file.

I am a novice here so I am going to say how I think it works and somebody in the know please come and correct me or explain further.

Snowie is a neural network and so it does not store the information about what its ranges are in each situation anywhere on disk or in memory.

Snowie accepts a number of inputs, the number of players, the action, the board etc and from this it calculates its range for this situation. Each time it is given a set of inputs its runs it through the net and calculates the ranges. The ranges are not stored anywhere they are calculated each time based on the inputs.

If this is how it works the storage space for Snowie is not necessarily related to the size of the game tree.

Hi,

as announced we have updated the AI. In the next days/weeks we will be releasing some articles highlighting the most important improvements and we will also show several examples of evaluations which are very different between the 2 AIs (old and new).

The first blog article available is here (for the 2+2 manager: I hope this is not against the forum rules, otherwise I'll remove it):

http://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/2014...-update-part-i

Thanks,
Roberto

In a 50nl scenario Snowie folds 68.93% of it's SB open limping range to $2 bet.
The Big blind risks $1.5 to win $1. Folding more than 60% lets the Big Blind make a profit with any two card even if he always folds to any further action.

This doesn't necessarily mean anything. People spend way too much time on this kind of thing. It is possible for you to play an optimal strategy AND for your opponent to be able to automatically profit. There are easily computable cases that demonstrate this. A classic one is where your opponent bluffs optimally on the river - he has an automatic profit there.

I agree that situations like that occur postflop, but I do not think that they should ever occur preflop in a GTO strategy, especially after Snowie VPIPs.

For example, maybe it's the case that in NLHE 100bb deep, the button is entitled to an automatic profit on his steals (although I doubt it, I don't think it can be ruled out), but I can't see that ever being the case in the scenario provided by andyg. I think it is just a clear flaw in Snowie's strategy if what andy says is true, and obviously can't be GTO.

Just my 2 cents. I am a beginner when it comes to GT, so there's a good chance I'm wrong.

The example you give is true. but that's where the villain is putting the first money in on that street. Even post flop you should not for example be bet folding a range that lets the villain have a +EV raise with any two cards, as checking would be better.

That is not a real auto-profit spot btw. SB folding more than 60% just means that BB should never fold any hand against a limp. You need to compare vs checking here.

If SB folds ~70% then BB makes about 0.25$ by raising, compared to folding. With most hands checking and playing Postflop in position will likely realize more than 0.25$ of the 1$ pot, so SB probably defends enough to have BB play these hands as check.

looking to start a group to chat about best ways to use snowie to improve our games. anyone interested?

if anyone has any good links to posts or forum where snowie discussed that would be great.

yes and i found already a very good way! hit me up

What if range that can't be exploited vs any two, actually have worse expetation than one that can be exploited w any two?
lets assume, we need to defend 40% or more so villian can't bet any two, but by defending 35% we lose less even if he bet any two. how do we know this can't be true in some scenarios?