Hope this is the right place for this, mods please move if it is not. Just want peoples opinions on how to play the 2 differently. I have recently moved from playing turbo SNG's (1.50/3.50 45 and 2.50/180) exclusively to 95% regular SNG's (mainly 4.50/180) and MTT's (2.20-11). Any tips or guidelines on how to restructure my game to the different format would be greatly appreciated.

Obv, regular allows more room to wait on stronger holdings and better spots. Also, in the long run, regular allows less variance as we don't become shovetards as fast as a turbo when we become >15BBs. Any other thoughts?

Thanks in advance!

Bubble play.

At the bubble of the reg speed 180's stacks will be deeper and you'll have accumulated twice as many hands than in a turbo, allowing you to form a more accurate sample on the players remaining (I hope you're using a HUD) and in turn, make more accurate decisions. You'll be better equiped and better informed on when to steal and re-steal. And stack size permitting, you should be stealing alot in these games at this time. But, don't waste that extra information by turning it into a variance inducing shovefest. There will be more situations where you just won't have to shove (even at 12-18bb). You can open light for 2-2.5bb and take down pots preflop simply b/c players just don't want to get involved with anything less than premiuim (in general, players who play these games exhibit more patience and will use the 15min. blind structure and bigger avg stacks to wait it out for a good spot as opposed to taking a marginal gamble). Against those players (and there are lots of them) any2 will do and if you meet resistance simply fold and steal from them the next orbit and the next orbit and the next...

The biggest difference for me when I switched to the reg speed games was the extra time to be able to make in-game adjustments, both against the other players and towards my own play. And at times like the bubble, even minor tweaks can turn major profits. GL hope this helps at all.

I'd be prepared to gamble slightly more in the beginning stages of a turbo MTT to get a big stack, compared to a regular speed MTT. I just think a large stack early in a turbo is very advantageous as you can bully short stacks in the middle stages and potentially raise/fold without losing too much of your stack.

A spot I'm thinking of is if you're 90% sure you'll be in a flip you should maybe take that gamble in a turbo, whereas fold in a regular as you can afford to wait for better spots to make chips.

What? Is the starting stack different? If the number of players is the same, and the amount of starting chips is the same, how could the average bubble stack be different?

Anyway, I'm not sure there is much of an adjustment when moving between turbos and regular tournaments. Let's say you have 10BB's, and it's folded to you on the button. You have AQ. Does your play here differ if you got here after 50 hands or after 80 hands?

You may be inclined to gamble more early on, but I'm not sure that's a good idea. Either a play is +EV or it isn't.

Bubble of 2.50/180, avg stack is 13800 but blinds are 1200/600. Bubble of a 4.50/180, avg stack is 13800 but blinds are 300/600, deeper stacks.

Turbo = standard shove.
Regular = standard shove.

But let's say, on the money bubble, you have 15bb on the button w/ ATo. SB has 9bb and is a 12/10 & BB has 13bb and is a 10/8 over 100 hands on both of them. You've been stealing pretty liberally on the button. Is the shove still the best move? I don't think so. A steal attempt is neccesary here, but why risk your whole stack shoving when you're only getting called by a range of hands that, for the most part, have you beat (AT+, any pair, maybe KQ). Now is not really the time you want to be dominated, flipping or even in a 60/40 for a good chunk of your stack. Even with my aggressive image, at this point in the tournament, these two will almost never try anything silly with Ax or less. Here is a spot I would 2x. If the SB shoves, BB folds, I'm committed and I call reluctantly with some cushion left if I lose. If SB shoves and BB comes over the top with his stack, easy fold with 13bb left. If SB folds, BB shoves, we have a decision and I'd opt for a fold against this player. If SB folds, BB flats, BB will generally check fold to flop c-bet. In that case, I'd c-bet 50% of pot on pretty much any flop and if I meet ANY resistance w/o a hand myself, I won't put another chip in the pot. If SB folds, BB folds (which is generally what will happen), then cha-ching.

In this situation:
Turbo = standard shove
Regular = ok to shove steal, but can accomplish the same thing w/ a 2x open

You see, in a turbo where the blinds go up every 5-6 hands or sometimes less, patience wanes with 10-15bb stacks and the best option is usually to shove steal and chip up as much as possible before the blinds catch up to your stack. In a regular where you get 2-3 times as many hands in per level, you can be patient, pick spots and react to situations differently b/c your 15bb stack won't be an 8bb stack in less than an orbit. Therefore, the player pool is more patient. You don't need to look for marginal spots to get it in as a small favorite. Instead of playing shove or fold poker, use some thought, take advantage of that extra info (you compare 50 and 80 hand samples, I'll take 60% more info everytime thank you), find steals, make the necessary folds and reduce variance.

As for the difference in stack sizes, see handbags post.

Thanks for the thought out responses. Some very intuitive info that definitely makes sense.

Imabeleafer - Cheers bro, gl at the tables.

Anything for Sid The Kid haha.

you cant bully stupid calling stations. You can valueraise / valuebet them.

I like turbos because they faster come down to "10bb push/fold poker" where we have a huge edge against the fish

Yes. Teach yourself SAGE and it's disgusting how much you crush heads-up, even without trying to adjust to villain's tendencies. Also, turbos = more games per hour ldo which improves your hourly earnings.