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09-21-2018 , 02:55 PM

Tuma

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I saw JNandez show ~50% cbet (1:1:1 ratio) for each street as being good for PLO100. I wondered how universal this system is, if there are desirable cbet% by street for optimal NLHE play?

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09-21-2018 , 05:31 PM

ArtyMcFly

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It greatly varies according to positions (much less c-betting when OOP in SRPs) and whether it's a single-raised or 3b/4b pot, but I think that overall, if you average out every hand that saw a flop, the post-flop betting frequency is reasonably close to 50% on every street. It's not really a very useful number, though, imo. As I said, in some spots it's optimal to bet much more often than 50%, and in others you should betting much less frequently, or even checking your entire range.

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09-24-2018 , 02:25 AM

Brokenstars

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complete function of the strategy you want to employ as doing sims utilizing various sizings doesn't deviate the overall EV of a strategy too significantly... and the sizing obviously influences the betting frequency.

PLO I could see there being more universal stats for cbetting, though, since small sizings don't necessarily achieve as much and you're limited to a pot sized bet.

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09-24-2018 , 07:37 PM

getmeoffcompletely

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OOP with proper sizing 50% for each street sounds about right. IP it will be high freq flop, low freq turn, high freq river.

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09-24-2018 , 07:57 PM

YouAreAwesome

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

OOP with proper sizing 50% for each street sounds about right. IP it will be high freq flop, low freq turn, high freq river.

That doesn't seem right to me. Why would this be true?

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09-25-2018 , 08:40 AM

getmeoffcompletely

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Flop you bet high frequency because of equity advantage, but once you get called you arrive at the turn with a relatively weak range while OOP has strengthened a lot. It's not uncommon for OOP to actually be a slight equity favorite at this point, so you need to be much more selective about what hands you barrel the turn with. Once you do bet however you will get to the river with a nicely balanced, mostly polarized range that will allow you to fire very often.

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09-25-2018 , 05:36 PM

YouAreAwesome

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

That just sounds like we are cbetting flop too much... though if we are sizing down I guess it could be right...

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09-27-2018 , 11:11 AM

stlows

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I have an Excel to remember what pot sizes can I use to be all-in by the last bet.
I have SPR from 1,5 to 13, with some possible lines, and in my dead time and watch it and try to remeber some of them...

You can add more bet % possibilities to be more precise.

I'm sure you can do it.

ote that bet order doesnt matter...
Something like that:

HTML Code:

<table>
<tr>
<td>SPR</td>
<td>Bet 1 (in %)</td>
<td>Bet 2 (in %)</td>
<td>Bet 3 (in %)</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>13</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>8.5</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>0.5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>5.35</td>
<td>0.75</td>
<td>0.67</td>
<td>0.5</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>4</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>1</td>
<td>0</td>
</tr>
</table>

Damn it! thought it would render the HTML between de tag lol... you can guess the table...

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09-27-2018 , 05:49 PM

YouAreAwesome

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If on the turn u want a psb to be all in for the river subtract the pot from the effective stack then divide by 3.

E.g
Pot is 8
Eff stack is 68
68-8=60
60/3=20
So we need to bet 20 ott. Eff stack will then be 48 and the pot will be 48.

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