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Originally Posted by StMisbehavin
I take it back; the equity is not exactly 0 in the situation given. I stand by "the same", though.
If both players play optimally, the value of a bluff is the same as the value of the worst check-fold hand. In a half-street game such as the one given, this is small but positive.
While it may not be zero, it is pretty obvious that any hand below opponent's worst calling hand, whatever the hand's actual value, has the same value when you bet it. The only way such a hand will win is if opponent folds, and at that point it doesn't matter if you are a single hand rank below the worst hand in their call range, or if you have the complete pits that beats nothing else at all.
Thanks for writing all of this up. I've often felt similar about the book, and am just now finishing the game theory section. As for this specific issue:
It turns out that it does matter, but they set up the section in a way that it isn't clear why. It took me a very long time to understand what they were doing, but essentially they introduce this concept of ex-showdown value without fully defining it in terms of anything useful, and then they proceed to implicitly assume that raising the ex-showdown value raises it's actual value, which turns out to be true.
The reason that the nut low "wins more" than the second nut low when the opponent folds the third nut low is that the ex-showdown value of betting the nut low and having them fold better is higher than when you bet the second nut low and have them fold.
The authors set the EV of checking down to essentially be zero without telling anybody, and then use that. They are fully justified in doing this, but they don't explain it at all. To see what they are doing, just express the value of a strategy as the sum of it's expectations over every possible situations, and then group the situations where betting happens into one summand, and the situations where no betting happens into another.
What you end up with is that the EV ends up being commensurate with this term that they call "ex-showdown" value (this expresses the value of a strategy in terms of the difference between the value obtained by having bets go in the pot and the value of checking down).