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10-04-2018 , 07:31 PM

Jarretman

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Hey guys, I'm looking for a preflop solver that can take inputs such as continuing only a 3bet preflop, continuing only as a 4bet, able to calculate cold 4bet spots such as BTN open SB 3bet and the action BB should take.

I have PokerSnowie but I'm looking for something with more customization (specifically certain spots playing as a 3bet only, such as SB vs CO, SB vs HJ, LJ vs UTG).

I'm willing to pay, what do you guys use?

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05-16-2019 , 06:28 PM

NeverScaredB1

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Originally Posted by Jarretman

I currently use preflop + but its pretty basic similar to the one you mentioned using. I've heard good things about piosolver. Have you found anything that worked based on what you were looking?

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05-21-2019 , 03:02 AM

Jarretman

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^ no after some more research I ended up paying someone for solutions instead of doing it myself. It's very time consuming and resource intensive to run these types of sims (you need to rent a server etc.)

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05-21-2019 , 03:36 AM

plexiq

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Were you looking for Preflop calculations only, or did you need Postflop play included in some lines?

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06-02-2019 , 03:00 PM

FanculoFan

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GTO+ anyone? Some decent reviews and a much cheaper alternative to Piosolver.

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06-02-2019 , 09:45 PM

Mimic

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Originally Posted by FanculoFan

GTO+ anyone? Some decent reviews and a much cheaper alternative to Piosolver.

Pm me

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06-04-2019 , 04:26 PM

Husker

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Originally Posted by FanculoFan

GTO+ anyone? Some decent reviews and a much cheaper alternative to Piosolver.

It's postflop.

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06-07-2019 , 06:17 AM

pucmo

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Probably better to work with the postflop play instead, considering that the GTO of preflop is already solved and requires just memory work and adjusting.

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06-07-2019 , 08:31 AM

ZKesic

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Originally Posted by pucmo

Probably better to work with the postflop play instead, considering that the GTO of preflop is already solved and requires just memory work and adjusting.

Preflop is far from solved.

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06-07-2019 , 02:05 PM

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EggsMcBluffin

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Originally Posted by pucmo

Probably better to work with the postflop play instead, considering that the GTO of preflop is already solved and requires just memory work and adjusting.

A single preflop tree can take up many terabytes of RAM

Its gonna be many, many, many years before any of us have access to the hardware to even come close to solving preflop.

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06-12-2019 , 03:47 AM

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Iblis

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Originally Posted by pucmo

preflop is already solved

Why nobody told me that. :O

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11-21-2019 , 05:26 PM

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TK1991

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Well, Is it solved or not?

I mean preflop game.

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11-21-2019 , 07:09 PM

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Iblis

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Nope, I think Eggs point is still valid.

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11-22-2019 , 09:49 AM

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ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by TK1991

Well, Is it solved or not?

I mean preflop game.

It depends upon which game you mean. 10bb deep heads up is coniderably quicker/easier to solve than 6-max with 100bb stacks.

That said, the approximations (of solutions) being sold for cash games are gonna be close enough for most users. We might never know if T9s is +EV UTG at 6-max 100NL (in a GTO sense), or at what exact frequency it should be played, but it's obviously not quite as good as JTs, but definitely better than 98s, and all three are very close to breakeven.

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