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08-23-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob148
With shorter stacks, I'm always check raising hoping to win stacks.
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With deeper stacks, I'm always check calling hoping to catch worse hands betting. What stack depth?
Agree with first part, disagree with second.

I think a better way to frame the question would be at what stack size does your QT play start to become mixed? Not sure. At super low stack sizes we just checkraise every ten and just call down with our one pair hands and good ace highs, maybe even some king highs. At low/medium stack sizes we want to mix in some traps, but probably only want to trap with the best hands to trap with (maybe AT or so? We block villain from having ace high to checkback with so he's bluffing more turns). Not sure if there's room to exploit someone doing that. At 200bb or so, you're probably deep enough that the button can start mixing in bluffs to move you off a weak ten, and if your range is improperly balanced, he'll know which boards he can start doing that on. So between 50 and 200 bb IMO, around 120 or so sounds about right.

But yeah, this seems like just a straight solver problem.
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08-24-2018 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

...a hand like 65s (which realizes equity well, especially in position) will play a helluva lot better than A9o or A6o or 22 (which don't realize equity well) when you're deep.
Can someone ELI5 what the text in bold means? I hear it a lot in the forums and poker training videos but don't know what it means.
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08-24-2018 , 01:05 AM
Anytime you fold, you forfeit your equity in the pot that you would have won if there was no more betting and the hand was dealt out. A hand like 65s realizes its equity more often than a hand like A9o because you are less likely to forfeit on hands with significant equity like a flush or straight draw while you can more easily be made to fold ace-high when it might be the highest equity hand.
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08-24-2018 , 02:13 PM
"Realizes equity well" basically means "gets to the river quite often". As BDH said, hands like A9o don't do this so well (especially with deep stacks), because hands like A9o can completely miss the flop and have to fold even though it might be the best hand. 65s is almost certainly the worst hand on K74r, but it's not folding any time soon.
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08-24-2018 , 06:09 PM
Straddle so that effective stacks are 100bb deep. And then use all you know about 100bb games. Such an easy solution.
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08-25-2018 , 04:58 AM
Equity realization is simply the relationship between a hand's EV and its equity. If a hand has a much higher EV than its equity share of the pot, it might be said to realize equity well, and if the converse is true, it would realize equity poorly.

It is not really a concept that encodes any deep meaning, and best understood as a colloquialism, so that things like "I'd fold pre, this hand realizes equity badly" can be said efficiently, in place of things like "I'd fold pre. Although a naive comparison of our pot odds to the equity we have might suggest this is a call, a lot of our equity is concentrated on flops on which we have bluffcatchers and other medium-strength hands, so our EV is going to be substantially lower than predicted by our equity and thus we should fold" or other lengthy interpretations that might be applicable in a specific spot.

It's a concept people occasionally use in nonsensical ways. Like, I see the phrase "check back and realize your equity" a bunch, seemingly tying equity realization with checking and getting closer to showdown as if they are fundamentally intertwined. (When betting has a higher EV, then you are actually "realizing your equity" better by betting!)

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 08-25-2018 at 05:11 AM.
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08-25-2018 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by alkimia
I would say that different stack sizes are almost a completely different game when played correctly. It is also important to remember effective stacks and take that into consideration. For example, if an opponent only has 50bb and you have 300bb you should be aware that some of the hands that you would play against a similar stack size to yours will be different than against the short stack.

Here is an example of what i mean. This is what pokersnowie(GTO bot) says about button 3bet/calling a MP player with 50, 100, and 300bb when you have 300bb

call/3bet range for a 50bb MP open raiser


call/3bet range for a 100bb MP open raiser


call/3bet range for a 300bb MP open raiser


As you can see there is a pretty big difference in an optimal 3bet/call open raise stratgey based on your opponent's stack size and your stack size. I only started with the hero having 300bb for time but the ranges change depending on your stack as well.

In addition to stack size you should also take your opponent's playing habits into account. Depending on their playing style you may want to 3bet more or less and possibly with almost completely different ranges. The ranges shown here assume a GTO player which is probably not going to happen to you any time soon.
Im confused. Never 3 bet AQs, fold tons of pairs to a single raise?
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08-25-2018 , 06:51 AM
Lol. Imagine on Poker After Dark somebody opens to $600 and Berkey just tosses 88 in the muck.
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08-25-2018 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by alkimia
I have been using it for a while to help my game but I'm careful to not use it as a crutch like a lot of players do with huds online. It is really useful to help solidify basic base line actions and for coming up to solutions in spots where I don't know/didn't know(in the case of my own hand) what do to. Sometimes it gives me a solution that I do not agree with but I've made it a point to make sure I have reason based in logic/reason why I do not agree instead of a just "thats wrong" type attitude. It is not perfect for sure but is a great tool that helps me think about the game on a completely different level than before i used it. With that said I am beating it over a decent sample with various stack sizes in 10 handed cash game training sessions. Interestingly by biggest wins against it are marked as errors by snowie and are generally spots where I played explotitively knowing its range completely. I'd say that kinda goes against the whole point and at that point the training sessions are just wasting time for me.

Almost all big online winners use tracking software and a HUD and you should as well.

Learn your tracking software and HUD well. Have someone help you with this if you can, if you are not a master in this area.

A number of video makers film with no HUD but use one otherwise, so don't kid yourself.
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08-25-2018 , 11:03 PM
1. Off suit connectors increase in value when deep stacked because you can cooler sets. Specially top set can be taken for a lot of bb


2. Low flushes and low sets see reverse implied odds.

3. Bluffing and bluff catching become a more important part of the strategy.

4. Overbetting becomes more necessary.
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08-26-2018 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235
Im confused. Never 3 bet AQs, fold tons of pairs to a single raise?
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The ranges shown here assume a GTO player which is probably not going to happen to you any time soon.
I was incorrect in saying that the ranges assume GTO but they do assume a snowie preflop raising range. When you adjust that range based on the opponent the equities can change and therefore change the call/4betting range a great deal. I posted that specific situation with the various stack sizes not as a bible to be followed religiously but rather a concerte example of how stack sizes effect play in some pretty drastic ways.

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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Almost all big online winners use tracking software and a HUD and you should as well.

Learn your tracking software and HUD well. Have someone help you with this if you can, if you are not a master in this area.

A number of video makers film with no HUD but use one otherwise, so don't kid yourself.
I do use a hud and have for years. The difference is that I mostly play live and as a result forced myself to not become dependent on it. In general I say anything that gives you more information in an imperfect information game is a good thing but it should not be used as a crutch.
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