Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
How to study recreationals ? How to study recreationals ?

08-04-2020 , 07:39 AM
Hello, i know how to study and exploit regs since their game is more "standard" and you have tools like pio to work with it.

But when its come to recreationals is like a new world, is not that easy than value big bluff less, etc. I want get the most ev to them but i have no idea how to do it.

You can like separate recreationals by different types like agro, nit, callings for ex but they are so random that u cant expect their ranges sometimes..

Any idea on how to study vs recreationals ?
How to study recreationals ? Quote
08-04-2020 , 09:29 AM
I don't think it's worthwhile to study recreationals for the reasons you said. When you're up against a rec just bet bigger for value and bluff less. You'll make more (i.e., lose less) by learning how to play optimally against regs.
How to study recreationals ? Quote
08-04-2020 , 11:20 PM
Recreational players make all the same types of mistakes regs do, they just do it HARDER.

You need to separate exploits into two fields:

1) The type of adjustment you make
2) How much you adjust

You bluff more against a nit. How much you should adjust depends on exactly how nitty they are. The type of exploit is the same, the magnitude of adjustment changes.

Against a loose-passive fish, you should adjust by bluffing less and value betting more (because they call down too wide). When they do show aggression (which is rare), it is virtually never balanced with enough bluffs, so you should just get out of the way.
How to study recreationals ? Quote
08-07-2020 , 08:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tombos21
Recreational players make all the same types of mistakes regs do, they just do it HARDER.

You need to separate exploits into two fields:

1) The type of adjustment you make
2) How much you adjust

You bluff more against a nit. How much you should adjust depends on exactly how nitty they are. The type of exploit is the same, the magnitude of adjustment changes.

Against a loose-passive fish, you should adjust by bluffing less and value betting more (because they call down too wide). When they do show aggression (which is rare), it is virtually never balanced with enough bluffs, so you should just get out of the way.
How would you play against a fish that you haven't been able to categorise yet? Perhaps you only know they're a fish because of their stack size and avatar?
How to study recreationals ? Quote
08-08-2020 , 03:05 PM
Lemme preface this by saying you shouldn't make huge sweeping adjustments based on a shortstack and a funny avatar.

In my experience bet-folding is the most powerful exploit against fish.

If you have position, bet the flop frequently and aggressively; their range is usually always too wide to defend properly. Barrel with thin value, much thinner than you're used to. Don't over-bluff after you've fired the first barrel. If they show aggression, just GTFO of the way.

Play passively out of position. When checked to, fish will likely just bet all of their natural draws and made hands, and check back the air. This provides you with a huge informational advantage. Attack their checkback range aggressively and relentlessly because it's way too capped.
How to study recreationals ? Quote
11-25-2020 , 08:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tombos21
Recreational players make all the same types of mistakes regs do, they just do it HARDER.

You need to separate exploits into two fields:

1) The type of adjustment you make
2) How much you adjust

You bluff more against a nit. How much you should adjust depends on exactly how nitty they are. The type of exploit is the same, the magnitude of adjustment changes.

Against a loose-passive fish, you should adjust by bluffing less and value betting eVidya more (because they call down too wide). When they do show aggression (which is rare), it is virtually never balanced with enough bluffs, so you should just get out of the way.
Thanks this was really helpful.
How to study recreationals ? Quote
11-25-2020 , 01:40 PM
Great advice tombos. What's your thoughts on playing against recs (BvB as PFR) w/ a proclivity to float flop at high freq... Right bc at equilibrium, atleast on alot of textures esp. Lower boards, we play R/F! In general we X/R OESD's/GS's at decent frequency on most textures esp. vs high freq cbet aswell as best TP's/MP's/WP's depending whether we're implementing a polar or merged strategy (aswell as nutted combos)... But from my experience it can be problematic to play these draws aggressively, esp. Against recs who will bet when checked to OTT, usually rediculous sizings leaving **** all SPR.

It seems the meta, even in the upper/highest echelons, is not to try to meet X/R thresholds, which lends itself to the increased bet freq' which also seems rather prevelent. Although trying to meet X/R can be precarious as it's easy to over-do it wrt frequencies aswell as choose combos that aren't indifferent and don't mix and thus blunder. There is something to be said for taking people to parts of the gametree that you may be more proficient in or more well versed.

Sent from my G8441 using Tapatalk
How to study recreationals ? Quote
11-25-2020 , 11:43 PM
Quote:
Great advice tombos. What's your thoughts on playing against recs (BvB as PFR) w/ a proclivity to float flop at high freq
Playing out of position as the pfr is complicated.

Against a passive player who calls a lot but doesn't raise you much, I think the simplest exploit is to expand your value in your cbet. This will leave your checking range more capped but the passive player won't exploit this well, and will pay off your value/medium a lot.

Against overly aggressive players, I think the opposite adjustment works better. Check more value hands with the intention of a XR or XC. These aggro players tend to overextend their range to attack perceived weakness, which leaves them vulnerable to trapping plays.

Then of course, you've got nitty recs who don't see enough showdowns BvB. Against these players you can expand your bluffs and force them off their equity a lot.

But these are all generic exploits tbh.

Quote:
Right bc at equilibrium, atleast on alot of textures esp. Lower boards, we play R/F!
SB (hero) opens, BB calls. To clarify, are you saying you don't have a cbetting range on some boards? Or are you saying you don't have a check-calling range? Trying to fit everything into XR/XF seems like a difficult simplification.
How to study recreationals ? Quote
11-25-2020 , 11:53 PM
I don't try to implement a R/F strategy but if we nodelock for BB increased float flop by even say 10% we see the max explo strategy the solver spits out is to play R/F or have a miniscule calling range (exacerbated on lower textures).

The advice on PFR OOP makes alot of sense. Multiway, in theory, we should be reducing cbet size and alot of 25% sizings are used I believe (although I'm not solving multiway spots myself). In practice we can likely size up but we don't want to necessarily bloat the pot in a spot like we've picked up a MP flat and the BB has come along. Also range composition is a huge factor as flatting ranges from recs can vary drastically, be it a 3% 3b nit fish flatting AQ/KQ or someone playing half the deck.

Sent from my G8441 using Tapatalk
How to study recreationals ? Quote
11-26-2020 , 01:12 PM
Play a lot and you will end up understanding their face up strategies, then exploiting is trivial
How to study recreationals ? Quote

      
m