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Originally Posted by JustLuck
It's important to be precise when discussing concepts like GTO. Strictly speaking neither sim is GTO against the other sim. They will both be leaking EV (both vs "true gto" and the other players fake GTO) thus they are not optimal.
Even if you include my betsize in your sim. It will still give you the wrong answer against my strategy. Because you didn't solve for my strategy.
"but it's close enough" no. close doesn't exist in GTO. Close = wrong.
As for your other point.Well.... Software like this is out there. (for training purposes) but no professional uses it because it doesn't accurately represent the game tree. They assume a 4 sizing spit on any street and the result is utter nonsense. No river range resembles what a real river range looks like etc etc.
It really isn't as easy as mashing in more sizings = better answers.
The 10 sizing sim is a toygame within NLHE, just as much as the 1 sizing sim is a toygame within the 10 sizing game. Therefor, in that 10 sizing game, the 10 sizing sim is the absolute GTO (leakless) while the 1 sizing sim has leaks. The only way to exploit the 10 sizing sim in NLHE would be to play more sizings than it accounts for.
You are making the understandable mistake of thinking that every response to a bet that's not assuming the correct betting range is just as bad. It's not.
The responses to bets in the "10 sizing GTO" will have break even or positive expectation versus every possible strategy within that 10 sizing game, even if they are misreading the actual betting range (for example, by villain having only 1 betsizing on that node).
On the other hand, the responses to bets by the "1 sizing GTO" will have break even or NEGATIVE expectation in the "10 sizing game".
I can't really say much more to have you understand this, so I'll leave it at that.
EDIT: The reason professional players don't play while looking at cloud sims is because its against the rules and they would get banned. If they were to follow those outputs they would beat people even if those people played differently, it doesn't matter that the river range in the sim is way different from how human villain plays, sim still wins. Plus, the sims are not that great because we don't have the computing power to make great ones yet.
EDIT2: I just reread and saw you meant that no professional uses
Training (not RTA) software with 4+ sizings per node because its useles... What are you talking about? I play professionally and I train like this, and I know plenty others who do aswell.
Last edited by aner0; 06-08-2021 at 07:26 PM.