Just wanted to start an conversation. My point is has the circle of adjusting to previous main exploitable strategy come to its end? Like first people were passive, so some became opening up more and the cbetting high freq. Then everyone played like that and then people started trapping that style and so on. Now that the game is going more and more towards trying to nail balanced gto strat, and what new players see on tv, isnt anything crazy aggressive or overpassive trying to trap anybody, all they hear is how players should think about their ranges and play good balanced strategy, should there be a day when new population trends doesnt come up anymore?

A couple days ago i was grinding tournaments with one of my poker friends.. Hes really recreational player, only plays for fun, and he was like "yeah ive learned a new trick from negreanu" he said and continued.. "Just donk minbet everytime you dont have anything and other will fold alot" and i was like "no omg dont do that.. Dont go there and get into that fishy trend.." 😅

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Ok cool.

i think no one will ever solve the game. with each action, there is gto way to react. just like it always was, you have to quickly find out and adjust than. but yea i think there might be a strategical circle that spins its rounds. adjustment is key.

For high stakes, the circle gets smaller with each loop, as the margin of error/edge is smaller.

For online cash at any stake, the circle is also getting small as solvers make regs better and the pool of newer players continues to shrink.

For live play small stakes, the circle is just as big as ever. The casino still features bad players that still play badly, and the LLSNL live low stakes no limit subforum has the best strategy discussions about how to exploit and profit against bad live players.

Quantum computers which already exist to an extent now but in a weaker form will be able to completely solve NLHE in seconds to hours. We will have the type capable of this in 5 to 15 years.

This was good reply -b yeah of course theres always alot of different styles and trends in low stakes live and micros online..

MTTs and live games are and will remain easier than esports. Online cash games will also remain beatable where the rake doesn't take it all, as it is about knowledge and experience and there are always better players. If the bots and semi-bots won't take too much, then online cash will also remain beatable (if not, some changes to poker will be introduced), as it is always possible to be better.

NLH is basically GTO solved but learning all that is hard to do, and most won't, nor do they usually even understand, although the books will probably give it to them in the future (or LHE never got solved, there being no book for it).

PLO solvers might not be good enough at this time, but later, but it is a more systematic game than NLH, as it is more like a what you see is what you get game, that's not the case with NLH, counting out the solver part.

Did chess die when it became a question of which player is the most studious?

Lol the best chess player in the world isn't even the most studious.

When two players of equal skill face off, it will come down to who studied the most and whoever makes the last mistake.

Re: Has poker come to its end of the circle?

As far as I can tell, a circle has no end.

If regular casino guests can continue to be willing to play LLSNL the games will remain good.
That said, the loop and margin of error is shrinking and if the casino takes more rake the games will eventually become unbeatable except the very best grinders.
On a positive note, there could be resurgence in poker by the broader American public bringing newbs to the LLSNL tables to "try thier luck at this poker thing" if someone well known outside the poker world won the WSOP MAIN EVENT. Like Kevin Hart but much more famous.

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