You told me to give you an example of preflop pre-adjustment, and I gave you an example of one that I've been using when I started playing.

Exploiting opponents is never sustainable. Sooner or later they notice what you're doing and they counter you back. It's weird that you don't understand that.

It's really bad to exploit opponents in the way you're describing. You don't need to have a "balanced" exploiting range or %. Actually, how you play other hands in your range doesn't even matter at all, when you're exploiting. You just have to do what's most profitable in the moment. And that's exactly what I did with JQ there.

If your opponents think that your 3b range is QQ+ AK, then yes, it's probably optimal to not actually 3bet AK/QQ. And it's pretty sad that the two of you, who are supposed to be super advanced exploiters don't get that.

But why do you 3bet only 3% ? It s sick ! Everyone knows agression is good in poker.

If opponent never call 3bet and only 4bet KK+ i get it.

That was 5 years ago when I started playing. At the beginning I was only 3betting QQ+ AK. After a while, I started pre-adjusting the way I described.

To be honest mate I am struggling to understand why anybody would ever use a 3% 3betting range!! Surely if you do this you must expect the opponent to never fold to anything. To not have any real understanding of ranges or anything. And if so, why the hell would you go and replace your strength with QJ????!!!!!!!!! You make absolutely no sense. And in the future I would advise you to have some respect. I'm a nice guy. I would prefer not to have to tear you to pieces everytime we speak.

If he never calls the 3bet you'd wonna bluff him loads. That's as good a guess as any though mate!! This Zkesic is just trying to pretend he knew what we were talking about but he messed up and now he's digging himself a hole.

I was perceived to be using 3% 3betting range, but I actually wasn't anymore. I was 3betting much wider at that point with hands like JQ. Is this really that hard for you to get?

Yeah, we get it mate, you randomly played a random hand with no plan what so ever. Good pre-adjustment! Well done! Gold star!

.... Give it up man. Just say sorry, and that you dont really know how to pre-adjust... You just learnt the general theory, that's not a bad thing. Say thank you and everyones happy.

It's pointless talking to you, really.
You're the most arrogant and toxic person I've ever talked to on this site.

It's weird how you seem to be the situational exploitive expert but then don't understand how something situational can be true?

I mean replacing QQ/AK from a range of QQ+/AK with QJ isn't replacing your strength from that range. Regardless it sounded like to me he didn't replace QQ/AK with QJ he just started playing QJ like QQ+/AK preflop which is what you have admitted is pre-adjusting earlier in the thread.

Any way it's besides the point everyone's real argument is that none of what you are saying is a revelation or is new to the game. It's been said many times in different ways since the beginning of poker.

It's also LOL that people fall for your false claims of superiority because they can't come up with a situation that only you think makes them a good player. Though A+ for keeping people interested in this thread and your trolling efforts.

I had a plan for that hand, and that's all that matters.
How I play other hands in my range doesn't matter at all when exploiting.
It seems you're the one that doesn't understand how exploiting works.

Even we could cut the corners less drastically and yes I still agree. But maybe the problem comes more from yourself 3betting only 3%. Bc vs this kind of opponent I would beleive in 3betting a ton. But since he does not call the 3bet, 3bet more Ax than QJ bc QJ may have more EV as call.

But vs the kind of player not calling 3bet, design your range with no playability (unless you would have some playability still -ev call) & best blockers & unblockers. But you need a value to respond to a 4bet.

But if he dont call and dont 4bet less thAn QQ+, i see the value in calling QQ but cant 3bet only 3%

Yeah, alright then mate... Dont give it up then... See you next time.

Errrmm, I did say that I didn't come up with pre-adjusting like 10 times.

And yes, you are probably right. Zkesic showed us all his ability right now. Obviously he knew exactly what a pre-adjustment was. Uses them all the time. His plays are way beyond we mere mortals. We're struggling to make any sense of it, but that's just because its beyond us. Only GTO players can exploit like this. It's actually all my fault for being so abusive in the first place. Blah blah blah.

I said the whole idea of him coming up with a pre-adjustment example is something you and you alone set as a bar for superior play, when in fact it means less than nothing as a measure of how good a player is at poker.

It also doubles as a way for you to pretend to be superior than someone else. The same "secret sauce" you always pretend makes you the best.

Hey Yadoula I dont know what you think about the theory of blockers you never talk about it.

But vs opponent that does not call worse when you 3bet QQ, K2 A2 blocks at least the 4bet while QJ blocks the raise fold range huge time TJ QJ QT etc.... J9

Well blockers is an important thing, but it's usually given way too much credit and we can actually flip the logic around and make better use of them without simply making plays because they contain blockers. Let me give you an example mate...

It's commonly recognised that we 3bet with those weak Ax for the blockers, but, if we instead remove these hands from our 3betting range we will actually see more Axx boards because we dont actually play the weak Ax! And, because the opponent thinks that we do play the Ax, we can then Cbet those extra A high boards and make just as many folds more often than usual. This is an example of a good pre-adjustment pre-flop. Not only do we make money because the opponent thinks that we hold those weak Ax, we also replace them with something like 67s so that we can rinse him on those low boards too.

Yes yes true but we were talking about an opponent who dont call when you have QQ. For sure id the opponent calls the 3bet you remove the blockers for a playable hand.

But for sure tells & psychology when possible is worth more but everybody is talking about tue 'proper' gto strategy here

Dude, that was just random spew, it wasn't a pre-adjustment. A pre-adjustment requires some form of plan for the future.

.... Lets not start talking about my superior "secret sauce" lol.

I agree people over value and miss use blockers all the time but the main use of blockers isn't about blocking the board it's about blocking combinations in villain's range, especially those combinations that are more likely to call and raise you, so using blockers appropriately is a pre-adjustment itself.

KKong, I see what you mean... Yeah, if he's not calling the 3bets with anything other than KK+ we want to be 3betting alllll kinds of weak terrible hands, and in this situation yeah the blockers would be key. All those weak Ax, Kx would have to be 3betted.

Still missing the point. It doesn't matter if it's a good or bad example of pre-adjusting. Mt argument is that coming up with an example of a pre-adjustment is an arbitrary bar that means nothing when measuring the skill of a player.

I dont know... a 20% opening for example is what 266 combos ? If you could AK AQ AJ AT AA ... vs an other one who would mistakenly block the JT J9 QJ KJ KQ QT i m sure there must be a difference more than 10% in the fold equity. I will count when I get home tonight.

Come on though. That logic is awesome right. Most people wont have realised that if you fold the Ax pre-flop you get to see more Axx boards. And, when you consider that alongside pre-adjusting, you can see that it cancels out a lot of the benefits in blocking the hands in the villains range.