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02-09-2018 , 08:54 AM
I have posted this on the small stakes forum and had some very contrasting responses. I hope it's not frowned upon to duplicate. Just hoping to get a couple more opinions.

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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 134.6 BB
MP+1: 109.6 BB
MP+2: 187 BB
CO: 107 BB
BTN: 107.8 BB
SB: 104.4 BB
BB: 138.2 BB
UTG: 90.2 BB
UTG+1: 40 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 3 8 J
BB bets 7 BB, Hero calls 7 BB, fold

Turn: (23.4 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (23.4 BB, 2 players) 3
BB bets 15 BB, fold,

No a complex one. Please just confirm I am thinking along the right lines. I think that we are good to peel one on the flop against donkey's donk bet here? We can continue on any spade, Q, T, A, K ? I'm giving him credit for an 8 or low jack here the way he played it...
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02-09-2018 , 09:28 AM
Jus fold.

More info can push u into any option tho
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02-09-2018 , 11:32 AM
It's probably better to post in forums for your game type as people there may be more familiar with the player pool and tendencies.

If you thought the turn would check through you should have enough equity to call with over cards alone, because you get to see the river and will usually have 30ish percent equity here overall. The fact you have backdoor draws to diamonds and a straight increases your equity slightly as well.

If you didn't know that and you have no reads to bluff or bluff catch correctly then the flop call is much thinner, especially if villain is weighted towards made hands.

After that I think the hand is played fine. I think bluffing the turn requires bluffing the river and I just think you'll get looked up here much too often at low stakes and given the composition of villain's range.
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02-10-2018 , 07:08 AM
Easy fold readless.
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02-10-2018 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Jus fold.

More info can push u into any option tho
Would you mind elaborating a small bit Brokenstars? What sort of stat reading or tendencies might lead you towards raising for example?
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02-10-2018 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin

If you thought the turn would check through you should have enough equity to call with over cards alone, because you get to see the river and will usually have 30ish percent equity here overall.
If you were in this position what would you have to have noted previously in regards to Villain's play in order to think that the turn would likely check through?

Is it as simple as if you had seen him donk a few times and then check the turn? Would you need to have seen him donk the flop, check the turn, and then showdown a draw or a weak made hand that you think would have folded to a bet for example? And if these are the sort of things you are looking for are you actually taking notes of it as you play?

Thanks..
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02-10-2018 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
Would you mind elaborating a small bit Brokenstars? What sort of stat reading or tendencies might lead you towards raising for example?
If he folded a lot to riv raises and his donk are often middling

We have ad and can play a3 dd as a raise for value

Anyways he is a whale and his sizing is screaming value so generally not a spot I'm going to bluff
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02-10-2018 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
If he folded a lot to riv raises and his donk are often middling

We have ad and can play a3 dd as a raise for value
riv raises = river raises?
ad = ace of diamonds?

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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
Anyways he is a whale and his sizing is screaming value so generally not a spot I'm going to bluff
lol, Ok, thanks !
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02-11-2018 , 09:00 AM
I like the hand as played and I'd fold the river.
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02-11-2018 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
If you were in this position what would you have to have noted previously in regards to Villain's play in order to think that the turn would likely check through?
Individual player stats or notes (donk range composition, double barrel frequency) or absent that population reads in the same areas.

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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
Is it as simple as if you had seen him donk a few times and then check the turn?
I mean it depends on how many times is a few times relative to how many hands you have been playing. But yeah that's the idea that if you know you can see a river for 1 bet you have enough equity.

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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
Would you need to have seen him donk the flop, check the turn, and then showdown a draw or a weak made hand that you think would have folded to a bet for example?
That would certainly help. I just ran an equity Calc and you have less equity vs Jx than I thought even with the 2 backdoors. You need 29-30% to call the flop and only have 23% vs all Jx.

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Originally Posted by pokerbetts
And if these are the sort of things you are looking for are you actually taking notes of it as you play?

Thanks..
You should be taking notes if they allow you to take notes on individual players. Probably not a spot that's worth it.
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02-11-2018 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by just_grindin
You should be taking notes if they allow you to take notes on individual players. Probably not a spot that's worth it.
Thanks for answering all that Grindin
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02-11-2018 , 11:17 AM
Sorry to edit my first post but you have 23% equity vs all non-A and non-K Jx so your equity and RIO are even worse.
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02-11-2018 , 04:29 PM
With regards to his lead range it's all just guesswork, who the hell knows if he's nutted or clicking buttons with random trash. You can open up equilab and come up with whatever range you want to justify anything but that's not exactly helping you deal with the problem. The most "optimal" line in this case is probably to raise flop since he will play very transparently against that and you'll have an easy time of realizing your equity. Another benefit of raising is that you will get the button to fold some better hands.
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02-13-2018 , 11:56 AM
I like a fold, the donk bet is too large to peel, and AK is what every donk is hoping we are holding.
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