Hi guys, I have a question
I have pokertracker 4 as software and I use the default hud. I was wondering the value of 3bet refers to the% or 3bet range?

A player with statistics VP23 PR13 3B5 should I consider it as a 3bet range of 5?
88+, AJs +, KQs, AKo

Or how does 5% of the hands play?

Vp 23 * 5/100 = 1.15

I play 23% and 5% of this is 3bettati or AA, KK and AKs

or should the calculation be done on the basis of the PFR?
It would be 13 * 0.5 / 100 = 0.65 or only AA practically


Can you help me?

The default 3bet stat is the number of times the player 3bet divided by the number of times he had the opportunity to do so. So if a player only 3bets the top of their range preflop, then a 5% 3bet stat would roughly translate to the the top 5% of hands. In reality, many players will 3bet a polarized range with some strong hands and some weaker bluff type hands.

This action will also be included in the VPIP stat since it satisfys that definition as well.

but what about 5% of the total or 5% of the vpip? it changes a lot

According to the previous poster it's the number of times a player 3 bet divided by the number of times that player had the chance to do so.

So that means the player opens and then there is a raise and the action is back to the player.

So by that definition it's related to the opening range, because the player had to open to get the opportunity to 3 bet.

However, you're not going to be able to say it's only the top x% of the player's opening range because people don't normally 3 bet like that.

What are you saying sorry? 3bet is the raise after an opening what does that have to do with what you're saying?

You asked if it was 5% of vpip or 5% of all hands. It obviously can't be 5% of all hands based on definitions 3bet and the calculation of the stat.

so it is correct to do the calculation through the VIP even if it contains the PFR and therefore the RFI that has nothing to do with it because we are not open?

of opportunities to do so
check the numbers in the popup
For example
VP$IP 28% (140/500)
3bet 5% (5/100)
Honestly i wouldnt take the numbers directly. For me it's just a benchmark.

No. As you pointed out vpip contains other information. Pfr would be a better approximation. But in the end it's not going to be that accurate no matter what stat you use.

I'm studying a player who is hyper aggro

VPIP 39 PFR 36 3BET 23 4BET 30 4betRange 11%

How do you estimate its 3bet and 4bet range?

Review hands where villain showed down in 3bet/4bet pots, look online at avaialble resources that discuss preflop ranges, adjust ranges based on villain's position, adjust ranges slightly wider based on villain's relative aggression vs other players in your player pool.

Percentages aren't going to help you determine what is in villain's range also you're never going to get it perfect.

The stats are mostly to help you determine where villain falls relative to the rest of your player pool so you can make real time adjustments accordingly.

The stat shows the proportion of the time someone 3-bet when they had the opportunity, so it's a frequency or proportion of all hands, and the calculation doesn't use the VPIP stat.
Someone playing 20/19 with a 3-bet of 5%, will usually have a similar 3-betting range to someone playing 35/32 with a 3-bet of 5%, but note that they are likely to be 3-betting less often in early position, and more often in the SB. (Someone can 3-bet 15% in the SB, but still have an overall 3-bet of about 6%).

Exactly what is in someone's 3-bet range in a particular spot will depend on personal choice.
e.g. Someone that 3-bets 5% in MP v UTG, might 3-bet TT+, AQo+, AJs (a linear range), or they might choose to flat AQ and TT, and use ATs, A5s-A2s instead (a polarized 3-betting range, with more clearly defined 'bluffs').

Someone 3-betting 30% is basically a maniac (unless you're playing HU), but they will mostly have hands from the "top 30%" of a hand matrix. You can build a 30% range in several ways though. By looking at showdowns you can make better reads.

Here's one 30% range: 22+, A2s+, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, A2o+, KJo+, QJo
An alternative would be: 22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,64s+,5 3s+,43s,ATo+,A5o-A2o,KTo+,QTo+,JTo (which replaces some of the middling offsuit aces with more Broadways and suited gappers).

Get Equilab if you haven't already. It's a lot easier to visualize ranges when you can click hands on a matrix and see what percentage they account for.

Thank you for the explanation, while what about the 4bet range is calculated based on the PFR and not the RFI?
One could 4bet also not being original raiser

Oppo which has as PFR 37 and RFI 43 and has a 4bet of 30% tells me the hud that has a 4bet range of 11% doing two calculations I get out

37 * 30/100 = 11.1

43 * 30/100 = 12.9

I assume that for the calculation of the 4bet range uses the PFR?

It's correct?

I think the "4-bet range" stat only applies to pots where the player was the open-raiser and then 4-bet vs a 3-bet (i.e. it doesn't include cold 4-bets), so it is indeed 4-bet frequency * opening frequency. Whether the tracker is using RFI or PFR for "opening frequency", I don't know. You can ask in the Pokertracker support thread in the commercial software forum if you're really worried about it.
FWIW, I never liked the name of that stat "4-bet range", because it's not a range, it's a number. I think my own number for that stat is 3, but it doesn't mean my 4-bet range is solely QQ+/AK. Sometimes I'm flatting QQ or even KK, but 4-betting A4s, A5o or ATo.

yes but from my calculation that comes out if you consider the PFR at this point also takes into account the cold 4bet because the PFR is generic and includes all the actions concerning a raise, I say well?