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Effectively learning/studying Game Theory without access to solvers? Effectively learning/studying Game Theory without access to solvers?

01-16-2019 , 08:30 PM
*Incoming Lengthy Post*
I apologize if not all of the background info seems relevant to the post, but I wanted to provide as much context as possible in order to get answers tailored to my situation. Anyways.



I’m currently 20 years old, and have been playing poker for roughly 5 years. Over the course of my “career” I’ve always studied the traditional exploitative approach, and have had success with it. My sources of studying came from books, such as NLH Theory & Practice, Harrington on Cash, etc., and Crush Live Poker. However, I’ve noticed that a lot of the thinking and strategy taught in those sources have become outdated and or is just plain bad info. Furthermore, I recently made a deposit of $50 on ACR (starting at 2NL) and purchased a HUD, as I would really like to fine tune and improve on all aspects of my game.


With all of this in mind, I feel like it is absolutely essential that I develop a strong foundation in theory, as I believe that it will give me the highest skill ceiling at all stakes as well as the most potential to eventually move up.


However, after doing some lurking here on this forum, a lot of the answers to the proposed questions are derived via the use of solvers, which is currently way out of my college budget.


So, back to the main topic, is there a way for me to effectively study GTO poker without purchasing a solver? And if so, how would I go about doing it? I currently own Janda’s book, but after hearing about some of the flaws, (Ex. The use of MDF when solving for earlier streets) I’m very hesitant about simply diving head first into the book, as I would have no way of differentiating between applicable concepts and less applicable ones.


All responses are appreciated in advance!
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01-16-2019 , 09:43 PM
mathematics of poker is a great option and many think of it as an essential piece of poker theory lit, including several of thhe worlds best players. the toy games, theory, strat, etc in that book is priceless

many people who use solvers dont have a firm grasp of the foundational theory that all strat is built on. kind of like knowing how to do algebra with a calculator, but not understanding how the formula are written longhand. FWIW PPT and equilab are free, good tools. have fun w that deposit, but i would encourage you to avoid acr

heres the pdf:

http://www.pokerbooks.lt/books/en/Th...s_of_Poker.pdf
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01-16-2019 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
mathematics of poker is a great option and many think of it as an essential piece of poker theory lit, including several of thhe worlds best players. the toy games, theory, strat, etc in that book is priceless

many people who use solvers dont have a firm grasp of the foundational theory that all strat is built on. kind of like knowing how to do algebra with a calculator, but not understanding how the formula are written longhand. FWIW PPT and equilab are free, good tools. have fun w that deposit, but i would encourage you to avoid acr

heres the pdf:

http://www.pokerbooks.lt/books/en/Th...s_of_Poker.pdf


I’ve heard of the book, but never actually took the time to read it. I’ll definitely take a look at it and add it to the study regimen. Also, would you still recommend that I continue reading Janda’s book?

And as for ACR, yeah, probably not the best website. Effectively learning/studying Game Theory without access to solvers? But they do offer 2NL, and they accept US players. More so just looking to use it as a way to put in tons of volume for a very cheap price.


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01-17-2019 , 01:26 PM
without a solver you'll be prone to misunderstand a lot of things, and you can learn so much about the game by just playing around with a solver.

GTO+ is only $75
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01-17-2019 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ToiletBowler
without a solver you'll be prone to misunderstand a lot of things, and you can learn so much about the game by just playing around with a solver.

GTO+ is only $75


Interesting. That’s what I was afraid of. Is there somewhere where I can see other’s solutions online? And either way I’ll probably just pick up something like that then. $75 is definitely doable.
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01-17-2019 , 10:31 PM
I have Phil Newalls books are really good as well.
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01-20-2019 , 06:47 AM
Learn the basics of the AKQ game and MDF, then think about how those concepts extend when you apply them to multistreet games with changing hand values. For every action region in the game tree try to figure out which high equity hands naturally lend themselves to certain actions and which low equity hands complement them so villain has incentive to continue.

You can get to a pretty darn solid game plan if you think hard about these things.
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01-20-2019 , 08:19 AM
you can download a solver for free and study one sample flop. i would assume that if you see for yourself the extend to which you can study that single flop, it will make you realize that any workaround is not worth saving 75$.
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01-22-2019 , 05:37 AM
Will tiptons 2 books.
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