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05-22-2020 , 11:26 AM
I'm trying to make my work off the tables more efficient and I relaized that I need to start from the core of my working tools which are my ranges.
How do you set your ranges and down to which resolution? there are the genereal criteria like postion, 6max\FR, 3\4\5bet etc. but are you "breaking" ranges for more pieces than that? like GTO\non-GTO ranges, aggressive\nitty opponent etc.? i'm trying to understand if there's value in getting into such a small details and how to do it as precisely as possible.
Thanks!
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05-22-2020 , 12:39 PM
i think its good to look at different villains (and their respective ranges) to get a holistic idea of what you should be doing vs some of these wild extremes, then you should be able to kind of fill in the gaps.
-what do you do vs someone who check raises -Gutshuts+ -made hands only -someone who blasts every draw + made hand
etc etc
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05-29-2020 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
i think its good to look at different villains (and their respective ranges) to get a holistic idea of what you should be doing vs some of these wild extremes, then you should be able to kind of fill in the gaps.
-what do you do vs someone who check raises -Gutshuts+ -made hands only -someone who blasts every draw + made hand
etc etc
My biggest problems is to assign different ranges to different villains based on the stake im playing, 10NL is not 500NL in terms of villains precieved ranges and I find myself struggling to find patterns in villains ranges in the micro stakes because they have everything.
Plus, I don't know if base my range construction only on my intuition or base it on other ranges of people who playing those stakes, because on one hand it will provide me more information about the population ranges but different villains will play differently against different players so I don;t know how much effective it is.
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05-29-2020 , 07:40 PM
one big thing i look for when constructing range guestimates is whether or not villain polarizes or just lolmerges. it would be a pretty big mistake to construct a range for a tard that involves polarized blockers at appropriate frequencies, by the same token it would be a mistake to leave that out vs someone whos clearly attempting some semblence of being a solver pro. Then u can go down the rabbit hole for polarized people and how good or bad their blocker selection is, and what that means for overall bluff combos.

thats how i would look at post flop raising ranges , just figure out if they merge or polarize, then its ~ the thinnest thing youve caught them doing on up. (99/100x its gonna be hella value weighted for bad players , so u just have to figure out if their value spazz range is tp+ or 2p+ , or if they do draws etc ). more importantly, if u do enough of these spots you'll see how them doing it with oesd changes things, vs if they do it with gutshots etc. thats what i mean about the holistic picture

preflop its the same thing. in my experience, bad players are gonna be extremely value weighted once u get into 4b /5betting, and a few showdowns should give u some idea of what theyre 3betting.

TLDR: you probably arent gonna nail the villains exact range, but you need to be quantifying things and doing many spots off the table. "now im gonna calc vs a villain who xraises sets, 2p, now im gonna calc vs a villain who raises gutshots sets 2p " etc etc, and by doing this enough you'll see how one showdown will tell u what adjustments you should be making while ur playing. SO yeah, just PICK some ranges, quantify changes, and compare the differences/ what it affects. thats the gold nugget.

by calc i mean run fold equity jam cals to give you a baseline of how their strat affects all in equity/ look at equities etc. or if you have other tools solver etc ofc u have more options for analysis.
does that make sense?

Last edited by LordPallidan12; 05-29-2020 at 07:45 PM.
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06-03-2020 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
one big thing i look for when constructing range guestimates is whether or not villain polarizes or just lolmerges. it would be a pretty big mistake to construct a range for a tard that involves polarized blockers at appropriate frequencies, by the same token it would be a mistake to leave that out vs someone whos clearly attempting some semblence of being a solver pro. Then u can go down the rabbit hole for polarized people and how good or bad their blocker selection is, and what that means for overall bluff combos.

thats how i would look at post flop raising ranges , just figure out if they merge or polarize, then its ~ the thinnest thing youve caught them doing on up. (99/100x its gonna be hella value weighted for bad players , so u just have to figure out if their value spazz range is tp+ or 2p+ , or if they do draws etc ). more importantly, if u do enough of these spots you'll see how them doing it with oesd changes things, vs if they do it with gutshots etc. thats what i mean about the holistic picture

preflop its the same thing. in my experience, bad players are gonna be extremely value weighted once u get into 4b /5betting, and a few showdowns should give u some idea of what theyre 3betting.

TLDR: you probably arent gonna nail the villains exact range, but you need to be quantifying things and doing many spots off the table. "now im gonna calc vs a villain who xraises sets, 2p, now im gonna calc vs a villain who raises gutshots sets 2p " etc etc, and by doing this enough you'll see how one showdown will tell u what adjustments you should be making while ur playing. SO yeah, just PICK some ranges, quantify changes, and compare the differences/ what it affects. thats the gold nugget.

by calc i mean run fold equity jam cals to give you a baseline of how their strat affects all in equity/ look at equities etc. or if you have other tools solver etc ofc u have more options for analysis.
does that make sense?
Make sense and really helpful.
Thanks alot!
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