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06-16-2021 , 08:03 PM

ITryDeuces

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1. Real Money
2. Play Money
3. Competitive Play Money (CPM)

Most people claim such thing as CPM doesn't exist, but not me. I will try to prove that in certain conditions players will be able to play a CPM game.

All you need is a play money software which will be set to detect one of the two game models - play money and real money game style. The recognition system could be based on the information GTO does provide. If it detects a play money game - the game is over and all stacks are RESET.

Players will play as if it was real money to avoid the reset. The smarter they play the more likely it is the game will continue. It's all about software's accuracy.

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06-16-2021 , 08:06 PM

aner0

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How bout no

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06-17-2021 , 07:20 AM

Yeodan

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People don't even play as if it's real money with actual real money.
No one's going to actually play serious with play money.

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06-17-2021 , 09:15 AM

robert_utk

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I thought that was the model for WSOP online poker. It was play money with real prizes, and a set fee to participate. That seems at least a viable concept.

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06-17-2021 , 10:47 AM

ITryDeuces

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It could be an interesting alternative for all those countries where real money poker is illegal. It could also be a training tool for improving skills.

The main condition is all the players at the table must try to play as if it was real money. If someone can find people to play with it could be really interesting.

The programmers would have a lot of work but it might be worth it.

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06-17-2021 , 11:06 AM

RustyBrooks

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The problem with play money is that people don't care if they lose it or not.

Why would they care if the stacks get reset?

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06-17-2021 , 02:32 PM

ITryDeuces

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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks

The problem with play money is that people don't care if they lose it or not.

Why would they care if the stacks get reset?

I assume the more often it happens the more distracting and annoying it becomes. Players want to stay focused and concentrate on the game. When the stacks get reset once or twice it may not be an issue, but multiple times will be annoying I suppose, so they will try to avoid that.

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06-17-2021 , 04:29 PM

Yeodan

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Yeah it will be annoying, so no one will want to play it lol

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06-17-2021 , 04:32 PM

aner0

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Forcing people to play the game in whichever way the site wants is lame as hell
People should be able to do what they want, this is like banning people in league of legends for playing like **** at Bronce rank. If you want to play serious people move up to higher ranks.

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06-17-2021 , 06:22 PM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

Players want to stay focused and concentrate on the game.

I have never noticed this in any venue of play, be it 1/3 at the casino, 10NL online, play money online, or home games.

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06-17-2021 , 08:19 PM

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tombos21

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If you want people to play competitively, just throw in a player ranking system.

Look at Chess, Scrabble, Go, Othello, Backgammon, or any eSport really. They all have elo rating systems and millions of players who take the game very seriously despite the only stakes being pride.

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06-19-2021 , 02:45 PM

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ITryDeuces

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How about this ... does this make sense ?

Let's start all over again - there's no stacks resetting rule. Players play CPM. If a hand ends with bet/fold nothing changes - player who made the bet wins the pot. The difference refers to the showdown - instead of stronger hand winning the pot, showdown is won by the player who collected more GTO POINTS.

The GTO POINTS are collected by all active players during particular hand. The closer the player's actions are to the perfect GTO line the more points he collects.

Example - a pair of queens can win with a straight because it was played better and scored more GTO POINTS.

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06-19-2021 , 05:23 PM

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aner0

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

i guess this is fine but it's not poker anymore, it's just play vs solution with leaderboards

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06-19-2021 , 07:51 PM

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VBAces

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

Example - a pair of queens can win with a straight because it was played better and scored more GTO POINTS.

So you expect people would want to play a game, making or calling wagers, when they have absolutely no idea if they are winning or losing. After the hand is done, they now have no idea why they won or lost.

I think that would be very confusing to just about everyone playing, and make it very difficult to play, not to mention how difficult it would be to program. If GTO says I should raise 35% of the time, and it says my opponent should call 43% of the time - who gets the most points if I raise and he calls?

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06-20-2021 , 06:07 AM

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tombos21

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Replace "GTO points" with "expected value" and you've got a functional idea. But then you've basically just invented another GTO trainer.

You could take this idea on the opposite direction to with like a Nemesis bot. You play your entire range instead of a single hand. The bot knows your range, perfectly adjusts, and maximally exploits you each step of the way. It would potentially reveal a lot of leaks in your style and make a good training tool. Competing against that bot would be much more difficultb than GTO, so leaderboards would be more competitive.

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