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12-05-2017 , 03:49 PM
Hi !

I'm pretty new with poker and i want to go further with theory !
I have already download pio solver and cardrunner but this is quite difficult to understand how it works for a beginner like me !
As a micro stakes (2 NL) cash game player what would you advice me to do in order to learn step by step kind of "gto" approach of poker ?

Sorry for my horrible english !
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12-05-2017 , 04:05 PM
I think there are some tutorial videos on YouTube or RunItOnce.
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12-06-2017 , 11:14 AM
Mate, you're playing 2c games, you do not want to learn GTO. GTO is far more complicated than exploitative poker, and will make you a fraction of the money you would make exploiting.

Almost everyone is going mad on GTO nowadays. People like Arty, well learned, clever players, cant help but advise beginners to study GTO even though he himself is fully aware that exploiting is far more profitable. The reason Arty wont tell you how to exploit is because Arty doesn't know how to exploit. He is so mad on GTO that he thinks everyone needs to learn GTO before they can effectively exploit, which is nonsense.

The method that people on this site, like Arty, will teach you to use when exploiting is rudimentary and extremely difficult. They tell you to find 'leaks', or diversions from GTO, in the opponents game. Then you have to adjust your plays from GTO so as to take advantage of the players 'inbalance'. This is not an effective way of exploiting, and requires you to know GTO first. This is just the method all GTO based players use.

You obviously can choose to learn in whichever way you like. You can learn from all of these guys or I can teach you to exploit properly if you like. It wont take me many posts and you will walk all over those games, and indeed, by the time the lessons are finished you would have all the information you need to walk all over Arty too. (You would still have to refine your understanding of the game so as to beat him in all situations, but this wont take long).
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12-06-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Yadoula8
Almost everyone is going mad on GTO nowadays. People like Arty, well learned, clever players, cant help but advise beginners to study GTO even though he himself is fully aware that exploiting is far more profitable. The reason Arty wont tell you how to exploit is because Arty doesn't know how to exploit.
I wrote a 20-part blog series called 'The ABC of 2NL' that's been read by thousands of people. It was even translated into Japanese. It was entirely based on exploitative play. Example chapter title: "The ABC of 2NL, part 11: Categorizing, Colour-coding, and Exploiting your Opponents".

I do not recommend the "GTO method" or balanced play for maximising profit at the lowest microstakes, so please don't misrepresent me.

I do, however, think optimal play is intellectually stimulating and - to some extent - useful for relative newcomers, so if they ask for help with software, I'll try to point them in the right direction.
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12-06-2017 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I wrote a 20-part blog series called 'The ABC of 2NL' that's been read by thousands of people. It was even translated into Japanese. It was entirely based on exploitative play. Example chapter title: "The ABC of 2NL, part 11: Categorizing, Colour-coding, and Exploiting your Opponents".

I do not recommend the "GTO method" or balanced play for maximising profit at the lowest microstakes, so please don't misrepresent me.

I do, however, think optimal play is intellectually stimulating and - to some extent - useful for relative newcomers, so if they ask for help with software, I'll try to point them in the right direction.
He asked for advice on studying GTO Arty!! And you pointed him on his way!!! Oh mate, please put a up link to that blog so that I can tear it all apart (or at least as much I can be bothered to read, it sounds drawn out, and I know you cant exploit very well).

For the record, I am glad you don't recommend the GTO method, but, do you really know how to separate the two??? I'll believe it when I see it.

Last edited by Yadoula8; 12-06-2017 at 11:52 AM.
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12-06-2017 , 02:45 PM
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He asked for advice on studying GTO Arty!! And you pointed him on his way!!!
I know this is not something you like to do, but answering people's questions is the primary function of these forums

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Oh mate, please put a up link to that blog so that I can tear it all apart (or at least as much I can be bothered to read, it sounds drawn out, and I know you cant exploit very well).
Google is a thing that exists
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12-07-2017 , 04:21 AM
Thanks for your reply !
I've a question concerning gto : why the solver says us to bet at any percent of the time and fold like the other ?
I mean why is this not à single option based on the most EV+ action ?
I think that this is a question of being inexploitable by mixing actions but it makes us loose some EV right ?
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12-07-2017 , 10:28 AM
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I know this is not something you like to do, but answering people's questions is the primary function of these forums

Google is a thing that exists
The primary function of answering questions is to help the person with that which they do not understand.

This site can keep on encouraging 2c players to learn GTO and it wont hinder me in the slightest. It'll help me... You can keep dismissing me for offering good advice and the players on this site will just suck at Poker.
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12-07-2017 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LinearEmphasis
I've a question concerning gto : why the solver says us to bet at any percent of the time and fold like the other ?
I mean why is this not à single option based on the most EV+ action ?
I think that this is a question of being inexploitable by mixing actions but it makes us loose some EV right ?
Mixed frequencies occur where both options have the same EV. (If one of the options is "fold", then calling or raising is precisely breakeven). By including some combos in a calling range at some frequency, you prevent long-term exploitation, but it's not something you have to worry about in the micros, as no one is going to notice if you always fold something that should only be folded 70% of the time.
Mixing also enables you to show up with the same hand after two different action sequences. e.g. If you sometimes raise the nut flush on the turn, and sometimes call with the same hand, then you can have the nut flush on the river whether you called or raised the turn. It's harder to play against you if you take two different (but equal EV) lines with the same hand. Just imagine that you always raised with turned flushes. If you're in a spot where a flush completed on the turn, but you didn't raise, then villain knows you don't have a flush. Mixing prevents your opponent from working out your exact range and exploiting that knowledge.
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