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09-17-2019 , 04:02 AM

philhell24

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 125

The scenario I was studying was BB defense vs SB open and his bet/ bet/bet line, with bet sizes 66% flop, 66% turn, 75% river. This is the solution

How is AT not a call when QT and most of JT is? QT and JT seem to block more bluff combos. Not to mention favoring AQ and Q4s(which blocks hearts) over AT

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09-17-2019 , 12:34 PM

NMcNasty

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Its a bit surprising but not totally unreasonable.

Solver is basically saying villain won't take a super thin value-line with KT, or QT, so AT and JT are both effectively bluff-catchers. So you then just evaluate which blockers are better and I suppose having the ace blocking all the whiffed Axes might be worse for you than having the J or Q to block just QJ, Q9, J9, etc..

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09-17-2019 , 03:59 PM

Gcm1998

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Op you could try to nodelock IP river strat so that it bluffcatches at the same freq but choosing different cmobos and see what OOP's response is. This way it coild become apparent why Ax is not a good car to bluffcatch with.

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09-17-2019 , 04:05 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Can you show us what the other player's strategy is on the river?

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09-17-2019 , 04:52 PM

philhell24

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OOP player's river strategy

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09-17-2019 , 05:18 PM

philhell24

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ok I changed my calling combos to this

I know the frequency is slightly off(calling 43% instead of 42.8%), but I didn't know how to weight the combo. I think it's close enough though. Here's the OOP player's response to the change in our calling strategy

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09-17-2019 , 07:46 PM

ArtyMcFly

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

Solver is basically saying villain won't take a super thin value-line with KT, or QT, so AT and JT are both effectively bluff-catchers. So you then just evaluate which blockers are better and I suppose having the ace blocking all the whiffed Axes might be worse for you than having the J or Q to block just QJ, Q9, J9, etc..

Yeah, I think it's partly that, and (having seen a bit of OOP's strat), it's also that QT and JT block a lot of OOP's value bets with KQ and KJ. Blocking AK (with AT) might be less important because not so many combos of AK take the bet-bet line. (If I understand the screengrab in post#5 correctly, it looks like very few combos of AK triple barrel, while about half the KQ combos do).

Last edited by ArtyMcFly; 09-17-2019 at 07:51 PM.

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09-18-2019 , 03:29 AM

Gcm1998

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OP AT is just as good a blufcatcher as QT and JT. All are mixed and therefore 0ev. The reason the frequencies are the way they are is to simply avoid exploitation.

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09-18-2019 , 04:04 AM

ilary

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Originally Posted by Gcm1998

OP AT is just as good a blufcatcher as QT and JT. All are mixed and therefore 0ev. The reason the frequencies are the way they are is to simply avoid exploitation.

I dont see it is correct on the river calling range. Solver call here based on the pot odd given by opposition. So in this case, opponent bet 75% pot which require our calling hand have ~30% equity. If you zoom in for A10, it will not have enough equity to call vs J10, Q10 due to blocker effect.

As I saw in many spots, solver suggest to fold more than MDF a lot.

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09-18-2019 , 05:27 AM

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philhell24

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I came to the conclusion that, since the solver knows the opponent's overall strat, and even though OOP player barrels the turn heavily with QJ combos(best equity bluffs, card removal, unblocking opponent's folding range on the turn like underpairs to Tx), it gives up these combos on the river and prefers to barrel with low SC like 56s and 76s. Not sure if it makes sense xD

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