Will this RULE improve NLHE? - Page 2 - Poker Theory

Thanks. This problem occurs only if the differential is very small. If it's very big (example: 7400 vs 1600) - the rule won't be probably activated then. And when it's very small (example: 5300 vs 5100) the player with the smaller stack will try to end the hand pre-flop or on the flop. So it's quite unlikely that such situation will happen. Players will be trying to avoid such situations as early as possible. After all, the stack sizes also don't come very close that often ... and when they do, smaller stack will be alerted and will fold pre-flop for example, if he has AA or KK it's more likely he will go all-in before the rule can be activated.

Even when this thing happens - defensive play is also very important and could take advantage and bring profit for the smaller stack.

So I think it's not a big problem, but if I have an idea for an update, I'll post it.

Maybe within 0-0.99x pot differential it can't be used. 1.00-1.99x pot one card. 2.00x+ both. Just an idea but I appreciate the innovation and thought

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04-05-2022 , 03:33 PM

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ITryDeuces

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Originally Posted by MrZoink

Maybe within 0-0.99x pot differential it can't be used. 1.00-1.99x pot one card. 2.00x+ both. Just an idea but I appreciate the innovation and thought

But if the pot is very big and the difference is 95% of the pot size for example, the rule should definitely be activated then. Or like this for example:

stack #1 - 350 $
stack #2 - 100 $
POT - 320 $
difference is 250 $, so the player definitely "deserves" having the option to activate the rule.

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04-05-2022 , 05:12 PM

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browni3141

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

6 handed table stack sizes:

player 1 -> 75 000 $
player 2 -> 24 300 $
player 3 -> 36 900 $
player 4 -> 6 000 $
player 5 -> 44 200 $
player 6 -> 18 200 $

At first looks like player#1 has advantage on all players at the table, but he will probably use this rule only against player#5. Player#3 is covered by two stacks, but he may use the rule against player#2. Player#4 is short stacked but it is very unlikely anyone will use the rule against him, maybe player#6 only.

As you know well, the situation at a 6 handed table changes very dynamically and stack sizes will change every 15 minutes or so. Everyone will get their chance sooner or later. If the big stack has a massive advantage on other players it will make no sense for him to use the rule. And the opposite, if short stack has a tiny stack it's very unlikely someone uses the rule against him.

If I were player 6 in this example I'd quit the game. Then 2 should quit, then 3, then 5. 1 and 4 can be left playing basically regular holdem.

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04-05-2022 , 05:37 PM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

Same thing refers to NLHE itself in general - only very good players know how to handle the game properly. This should attract those super-sharks to the game like a fresh meat

And fish - I think the fact you can take control over the game will attract weak players as a "cool thing" to do.

Just like Omaha has become a "cool thing" and has overtaken HE?

NLHE is popular because it has simple rules with complex strategy. Recs like it because you can win in the short-term without really understanding advanced strategy. I really doubt "weak" players will find it simple enough to sit down and splash around. And why would a "super-shark" play if the game was only filled with other "super-sharks"?

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04-06-2022 , 12:18 AM

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ITryDeuces

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Originally Posted by browni3141

If I were player 6 in this example I'd quit the game. Then 2 should quit, then 3, then 5. 1 and 4 can be left playing basically regular holdem.

There's no need to quit for a couple of reasons. Only player 2 is about to use the rule on you. You can avoid playing a hand with him ... or when it does happen you can try to end the hand pre-flop or flop ... and when it gets to the turn and he activates you can still win a lot with smart defensive play (reads) - and this is the option I would bet on. You can also wait a couple of hands playing more tight until the situation suits you more.

I would learn the rule strategy well and bet on clever defensive play. It's much better than avoiding it. After all, the rule was designed to be played, not avoided. And don't forget about the extra 6100 $ you could win when facing player 2

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04-06-2022 , 12:31 AM

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ITryDeuces

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Originally Posted by Didace

Don't know anything about Omaha overtaking NLHE ...

Super-sharks are more interested in having a challenge and they like to play with each other. They don't need to grind playing with fish. Recreational players will like it I think. It's like the opposite of those selective memory bad beats they experience at the table. Now, they could take control over the cards and betting round structure. At least that's what they would think. If they start losing to better players maybe this will motivate them more to sink deep into game strategy. This would also be a good thing.

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04-06-2022 , 08:22 AM

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dude45

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

Grinding with donks and fish is exactly what super-sharks want to do. I guess their may be some sharks out theory who are more worried about challenging themselves

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04-06-2022 , 02:33 PM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by ITryDeuces

Super-sharks are more interested in having a challenge and they like to play with each other.

I'm not sure you understand poker.

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04-08-2022 , 11:27 AM

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ITryDeuces

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Originally Posted by Didace

I'm not sure you understand poker.

My poker knowledge is exactly at the 51% level. It means I know a bit more than I don't.

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