The game you describe is stuck in a time warp. It's obvious how to exploit it, why is nobody doing that? If they did, you wouldn't be talking about folding KK to a 40bb 4-bet shove.

lol

lol will never fold KK early int he tournament, even late I think

its hard to do and very read dependant. years ago i would say never do it as people would stack off with TT-AA all the time.
ive folded KK 3 times preflop

i was right twice. so i dont feel bad.
the other time i was 4 tabling online and at my other 3 tables at the exact same time AA and KK were all in preflop
I had KK and it was raised and reraised in front of me. I just folded and felt like RNG was stuck. they ended up checkin down like 88 and AK

It could be easily argued that you went out just before the money because you declined an 80:20 chance to double up early on.

Live games are so soft that I can't tell if:

Is serious...

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I think live games are slightly different (ie shoving pre flop is generally speaking much tighter) so I yes - fold KK, I've done this several times live and felt it was the right decision, but as previous poster mentions it depends what range you are putting your opponents on. If I'm up against some LAG and he's really throwing his weight about, I'm probably going to shove with QQ+ and likely to be ahead 95% of the time. I definitely getting much more aggressive with KK if I'm not up against tight passive players.

Like anything in poker it's very situational. Whilst playing live, I've played one person several times where I've been holding KK and my OPP has done some huge raise pre flop, I tend to tank for a bit but then just let it go, because he has A-A 100%

where did the tutorial video go? that showed the hand ranges..?

Why do you need to prevent archiving?

Any link to a thread that gets archives will be broken. I'd have to re-find all the threads in the FAQ and then edit the faq with the new threads. It would also be impossible to comment on them.

rustyb do you know where can I find the video about this subject?

do they not run it twice at your game?

What video?

equity and hand range, for exmaple, if villians range is 10% adjusting your range to 7% increases EV+ let's say, if you only play QQ+ vs villians A10+, JJ+..
which goes 50 50 to 60-40, or even 70-30

I don't know what video you're talking about. I don't think I said anything about a video like this.

You didn't someone else did a day or two ago, but It was deleted was wondering, if you knew...

I never saw any such video, and I didn't delete it.

Even if you take QQ out of the range it is still more likely for a player to hold AK than AA and KK combined. There are more ways to make AK than AA and KK put together. If you add in QQ it's no contest. Those facts and the fact that you are crushing all hands but exactly AA mean that you have to be DAMN sure your against AA to fold KK. If you fold KK to ANY other hand you are making a big mistake. That being said, I have been ready to muck KK exactly two times in my life and heard that little voice in my head going "you can NEVER fold KK preflop" both times I made the crying call and both times I was against AA.

So, I don't think it is never OK to fold KK preflop but, again, you have to be DAMN sure your read is correct. Think about how often you will win if your opponent holds AK,QQ,KK or an overplayed JJ/AQ or even a stone cold bluff repping AA. You're KK will win about 77% vs a range of JJ,QQ,AK or a range of JJ,QQ,AK,+98s(random bluff), and if you do run into AA you still have almost 20%. Let's figure out how sure you have to be;
When you run into aces your value is 20%
When you run into anything else, let's say your 77%
Let's supose you and opponent each have 50BB's. When you run into aces your equity is 20BB
whenever you don't your equity is 77BB's.
If you fold your equity is 50BB.
Even if you run into aces one in five times
20+
77+
77+
77+
77+
=368, divided by 5 trials is 73.6, still better than 50.
If you run into aces two out of five you're 54.2BB's.
So, you have to be better than 40% sure your opponent has exactly AA to fold KK, that's without considering any money already in the pot from raises,re-raises, or even blinds and antes. If you just 3 bet and get shoved you might have to call even if you where 50/50 that your opponent held exactly two aces.
It is HARD to be that sure.
If you know your opponent can only have AA,KK,AKs, or QQ then your about 52%. Once you figure in the money in the pot after blinds/antes/rasing and reraising, you have to have a DEAD read to fold.

Let me get this right, you want to fold kk with 50bb or so in a live poker game WTF lollololololol.

I am not going to go deep into it but folding kk pre with 50 bb is a no no, just bad poker dont do it, trust me on this!

Sounds like there is alot of money to be made by 3 betting in this game.

Here's one reason why not to fold KK pre flop...Happened at a 2/5 NL game today...

KK by TAG, is first to act and raises to $25
AA, by TAG, 3 bets to $105
AA, by Solid/TAG, 4 bets to $385.

KK FOLDS.

AA goes HU with AA.

Board K66J3.

Now KK should have known he was facing AA in 2 spots and would have outflopped them both. Shove it in!

LOL. Really happened, pretty cool.

of course you don't fold KK, but you dont raise either. especially when you have AA. last thing you want to do is win only the blinds. this is the correct time to slow play.

Jesus christ, what?

Preflop i never fold KK.

how is that going for you?