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08-02-2021 , 10:37 AM
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Hello. I am looking at some 6max NLH solver outputs and I am seeing a strange pattern. In vast majority of cases calling a bet on the flop yields higher EV compared to raising regardless of type/strength of a hand in question. Why then raising is a part of strategy? What am I missing?

Example : MP vs CO 3bpot on Jh6h4s. MP cbets for 18%. Now,according to the output, the only hand that is benefiting(slightly) from raising is AJ spades. It's small gain of EV and the other hands that raise sacrafice more EV than we gained from raising AJs.

This is really confusing. Please discuss
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08-02-2021 , 11:33 AM
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You didn't solve to high enough accuracy.
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08-02-2021 , 11:47 AM
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You didn't solve to high enough accuracy.
The solutions I am looking at are solved to the 0.4 - 0.8% size of the pot. Is that not enough?
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08-02-2021 , 12:25 PM
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Well, if hand is mixing between two options then those two options must have same ev. Differences in ev in slovers are within margin of error.
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08-02-2021 , 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SayNoToJabs
Hello. I am looking at some 6max NLH solver outputs and I am seeing a strange pattern. In vast majority of cases calling a bet on the flop yields higher EV compared to raising regardless of type/strength of a hand in question. Why then raising is a part of strategy? What am I missing?

Example : MP vs CO 3bpot on Jh6h4s. MP cbets for 18%. Now,according to the output, the only hand that is benefiting(slightly) from raising is AJ spades. It's small gain of EV and the other hands that raise sacrafice more EV than we gained from raising AJs.

This is really confusing. Please discuss
Like Haizemberg93 said, if a hand is mixing between two or more actions, those actions should have exactly the same EV in equilibrium - anything else is just solver noise from not solving down far enough.

Is AJss a pure raise in your example? If so, it should have higher EV than calling. If not, it's noise that will go away if you solve it further down. 0.8% dEV is quite high and will produce a lot of mixed strategies.

So if it's all the same EV why even bother mixing in raises? Well, it comes down to avoiding exploitation. If you never raised then villain could run you over.
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08-04-2021 , 08:15 AM
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Mixing -> same exact EV

Mixing & Different EV -> Error in sim
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